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		<title>By: Professional Game Coverage: Detroit 88, Los Angeles Clippers 87 &#171; Piston Powered</title>
		<link>http://clipperblog.com/2009/01/04/detroit-89-clippers-88/comment-page-1/#comment-2024</link>
		<dc:creator>Professional Game Coverage: Detroit 88, Los Angeles Clippers 87 &#171; Piston Powered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Detroit 88, Clippers 87,&#8221; by Kevin [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Petey</title>
		<link>http://clipperblog.com/2009/01/04/detroit-89-clippers-88/comment-page-1/#comment-2022</link>
		<dc:creator>Petey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Collins finishes with 12 assists, though he has trouble facilitating much of anything in the second half.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Mardy had 11 assists in the first half.  At that pace, he&#039;ll pass John Stockton in a few years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Collins finishes with 12 assists, though he has trouble facilitating much of anything in the second half.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Mardy had 11 assists in the first half.  At that pace, he&#8217;ll pass John Stockton in a few years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Petey</title>
		<link>http://clipperblog.com/2009/01/04/detroit-89-clippers-88/comment-page-1/#comment-2020</link>
		<dc:creator>Petey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Why was collins laying 5 ft in front of AI and ending up behind a bruising screen?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I rewatched the play, and I don&#039;t think the outcome was Collins&#039; fault.  Once McDyess trapped him on the screen and Camby decided come out to block the 3 pt shot fake, Collins had to stay in front of Dice to avoid him rolling to the hoop for a layup.

Camby should have hung back and let Bubbachuck shoot the 3, which he wouldn&#039;t have actually done.  Iverson takes all of his game-winners from 6 to 11 feet from the basket, and one would think Camby would be familiar with his tendencies after the Denver experience...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Why was collins laying 5 ft in front of AI and ending up behind a bruising screen?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I rewatched the play, and I don&#8217;t think the outcome was Collins&#8217; fault.  Once McDyess trapped him on the screen and Camby decided come out to block the 3 pt shot fake, Collins had to stay in front of Dice to avoid him rolling to the hoop for a layup.</p>
<p>Camby should have hung back and let Bubbachuck shoot the 3, which he wouldn&#8217;t have actually done.  Iverson takes all of his game-winners from 6 to 11 feet from the basket, and one would think Camby would be familiar with his tendencies after the Denver experience&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Q.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Q.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why was collins laying 5 ft in front of AI and ending up behind a bruising screen? He was cheating the passing lanes the whole day and never stole the ball. AI was free at the FT line and making camby grab air helped get AI Closer to the hole on the last play</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why was collins laying 5 ft in front of AI and ending up behind a bruising screen? He was cheating the passing lanes the whole day and never stole the ball. AI was free at the FT line and making camby grab air helped get AI Closer to the hole on the last play</p>
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		<title>By: Petey</title>
		<link>http://clipperblog.com/2009/01/04/detroit-89-clippers-88/comment-page-1/#comment-2018</link>
		<dc:creator>Petey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;The only thing looking good fot the clippers is Eric Gordon. Al needs to step it up.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The problem is that I don&#039;t think Thornton has another gear to step it up to.  Dude&#039;s already 26yo.

Gordon is a keeper.  Thornton, not so much.

But on the bright side, you get Thornton at rookie contract scale through when he&#039;s 29yo.  That was the brilliance of him as a draft pick - you basically get the prime of his career at rookie pay scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The only thing looking good fot the clippers is Eric Gordon. Al needs to step it up.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The problem is that I don&#8217;t think Thornton has another gear to step it up to.  Dude&#8217;s already 26yo.</p>
<p>Gordon is a keeper.  Thornton, not so much.</p>
<p>But on the bright side, you get Thornton at rookie contract scale through when he&#8217;s 29yo.  That was the brilliance of him as a draft pick &#8211; you basically get the prime of his career at rookie pay scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Petey</title>
		<link>http://clipperblog.com/2009/01/04/detroit-89-clippers-88/comment-page-1/#comment-2017</link>
		<dc:creator>Petey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iverson brings the quotability:

&lt;blockquote&gt;“You know you are having a bad shooting game when you hit the game-winner and that doesn’t even go in,” Iverson said with a laugh afterward. “That’s the top, the worst shooting game of my career.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iverson brings the quotability:</p>
<blockquote><p>“You know you are having a bad shooting game when you hit the game-winner and that doesn’t even go in,” Iverson said with a laugh afterward. “That’s the top, the worst shooting game of my career.”</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Petey</title>
		<link>http://clipperblog.com/2009/01/04/detroit-89-clippers-88/comment-page-1/#comment-2016</link>
		<dc:creator>Petey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;The most disappointing decision on the play is not Thornton’s block attempt, but Camby biting on Iverson’s shot-fake way beyond the arc.  Imagine if Camby stays back and guards the lane.  Does Iverson have that path?  Probably not.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Bingo.

Though Camby&#039;s mistake wasn&#039;t biting on the shot fake so much as being out there in the first place.

Iverson wanted nothing to do with Camby all game long, which is why he was shooting almost exclusively from the perimeter.  Iverson must have been the happiest guy in the arena when he saw Camby come out to defend on that play.

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It&#039;s easy to focus on Camby&#039;s inability to defend on the ball in the post, and forget just how intimidating a defender against ball penetration he really is.  I was watching Camby play while rooting for the opposing team for the first time in two years, and I was always worried where he was every time Stuckey, Prince, or Iverson slashed.

And kudos to Dunleavy on the defense on the play before Iverson&#039;s goaltend.  He correctly understood that the Pistons were going to Prince against Thornton in the corner, and had three defenders ready to stop it.

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DeAndre really looks like a keeper to me.

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And finally:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;It seems ridiculous to sanctify grown men for doing their jobs&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Meh.  That&#039;s genuinely part of the joy of the association.

One of the biggest compliments you can give a player on his game is, &quot;He really went out and did his job.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The most disappointing decision on the play is not Thornton’s block attempt, but Camby biting on Iverson’s shot-fake way beyond the arc.  Imagine if Camby stays back and guards the lane.  Does Iverson have that path?  Probably not.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Bingo.</p>
<p>Though Camby&#8217;s mistake wasn&#8217;t biting on the shot fake so much as being out there in the first place.</p>
<p>Iverson wanted nothing to do with Camby all game long, which is why he was shooting almost exclusively from the perimeter.  Iverson must have been the happiest guy in the arena when he saw Camby come out to defend on that play.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to focus on Camby&#8217;s inability to defend on the ball in the post, and forget just how intimidating a defender against ball penetration he really is.  I was watching Camby play while rooting for the opposing team for the first time in two years, and I was always worried where he was every time Stuckey, Prince, or Iverson slashed.</p>
<p>And kudos to Dunleavy on the defense on the play before Iverson&#8217;s goaltend.  He correctly understood that the Pistons were going to Prince against Thornton in the corner, and had three defenders ready to stop it.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>DeAndre really looks like a keeper to me.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>And finally:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;It seems ridiculous to sanctify grown men for doing their jobs&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Meh.  That&#8217;s genuinely part of the joy of the association.</p>
<p>One of the biggest compliments you can give a player on his game is, &#8220;He really went out and did his job.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kirbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The win/loss ratio looks terrible on paper, but with everyone having a red hot go, the growth of Gordon, and the all out professionalism of Camby, its a long haul for the rest of season. Can&#039;t wait for Zac to be bac, Kaman he&#039;s been out that long I&#039;ve almost forgotten him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The win/loss ratio looks terrible on paper, but with everyone having a red hot go, the growth of Gordon, and the all out professionalism of Camby, its a long haul for the rest of season. Can&#8217;t wait for Zac to be bac, Kaman he&#8217;s been out that long I&#8217;ve almost forgotten him.</p>
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		<title>By: Pboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing looking good fot the clippers is Eric Gordon.  Al needs to step it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing looking good fot the clippers is Eric Gordon.  Al needs to step it up.</p>
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