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The 180 Shooter

Posted by Kevin Arnovitz On January 13, 2009 at 7:57 am

One of the few beneficiaries of the Clippers’ injury situation this season has been sharpshooting forward Steve Novak.  On Sunday afternoon, Novak went 3-3 from the field — all three FGMs were from beyond the arc.  He finished the game with a +13, far and away the best rating of any Clipper.   Novak is now 13 for 24 as a three-point shooter in January, good for a 54.2%.

There’s an old cliché that you can always spot a coach’s son for his sweet, flawless shooting stroke.  It’s certainly true in Novak’s case.  His father, Mike, is the longtime basketball coach at Brown Deer High School in Milwaukee.  Novak played under his Dad and, from an early age, would show up at practice and take 300 shots a day.

Chad Brooks is a smart basketball observer who sent along this email about Rick Majerus’ “180 Shooter” — a player whose field goal percentage, free throw percentage, and three-point percentage total 180:

I was always intrigued to hear him discuss his term “a 180 shooter” that is adding the percentages of free throw, field goal and three point percentage. If that sum reaches or exceeds 180 then you are the purest of shooters.

From reading your posts and following your links it is evident that you are very comfortable in the statistical minutiae of the NBA game. This led me to run my own very remedial data collection on “180″ shooters. I am as big of a fan of the college game (if not more so) as the NBA game. It amazed me that over the last 25 years how incredibly difficult it was for guys to achieve that 180 mark for their careers. There is no method to my madness on how I selected these shooters to look up. There could be an outside chance that I may very well be over looking some great shooters. After watching thousands of hours of basketball I basically just racked my brain for guys I thought could fill it up and then looked at their percentages. Many things can be taken away from this:

  • Some guys only had one year to adhere to the 3-pt line, or no years at all (this could be argued both ways, inflation or deflation of percentages).
  • How some college programs had an offense that purely revolved around their best shooter and how once in the NBA, these shooters were quickly brought back down to earth by NBA defenders closing speed. Many great college shooters often talk about the biggest adjustment from the college game to the pro game is the idea of an “open look.”
  • It should be pointed out that for the vast majority, their cumulative total decreased once they hit the NBA. This is as to be expected for a series of reasons (length of season, no conference play – everybody plays everybody in the NBA, better supporting casts . . .) However maybe something needs to be said for A) Steve Nash’s work ethic and B) Mike D’Antoni’s system he had in place in Phoenix. Nash’s improvement of 12.9 is a definite outlier.
  • The variable with the most impact was the advent of the three point line, making the “180 man” a possibility. It would be a arduous task but interesting to extrapolate jumpers that would have counted for three by the likes of Rick Barry, Jerry West and Pete Maravich to name a few.
  • Lastly if you want to stack the odds in your son’s favor to tickle the twine your first step is to name him Steve. I guess Del Curry knew this long before Majerus coined his “180 man” term.

Brooks’ email was accompanied by this spreadsheet.  The first set of names and numbers reflects the collegiate leaders in the “180 Shooter index”; the second set is the pro rankings; the third number is the drop-off/increase from college to the NBA [and for most, it's a drop-off].


Every few years, we see prolific college scorers struggle in the NBA.  Sometime it’s confounding.  But, generally, it’s the difficulty of finding the “open look,” as Brooks mentions in his second point, that limits their effectiveness.  It’s comparatively easy for a Steve Alford, or a JJ Redick, or even a Roger Mason to get shots in an offense where three or four other players are primarily focused on getting him an open shot. But what happens when that shooter becomes a fourth or fifth option? What happens when, on the rare occasion that the shooter gets that open look along the arc, the guy closing isn’t 6′ 1″, but a freaky 6′ 7″ forward with a wing span of nearly seven feet?

One of the characterizations we throw around when evaluating a player is “he can create his own shot.” Usually this means that he’s got the raw athletic ability to create space for himself [Al Thornton, for example], or the handle to do so [Chris Paul]. You also have guys like Richard Hamilton who create that shot through sheer endurance, running his defender ragged until he finds that open space.  But if a shooter doesn’t have the capacity to do that — or if his team doesn’t have the patience to allow him to do so [and why should they when there are three athletes on the floor who don't need an elaborate ballet to get an open shot] –  the open looks simply aren’t going to be there.

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  1. andrewexd Said,

    Has steve novak ever gotten to the ft line ?

    Reply to andrewexd

    Posted on January 13th, 2009 at 10:29 am

  2. Petey Said, “But if a shooter doesn’t have the capacity to (create his own shot) … the open looks simply aren’t going to be there.” Well… - JJ Redick is going to get open looks because he plays with Dwight Howard. - Arron Afflalo is going to get open looks because he plays with Allen Iverson. (As did Kyle Korver back in the day.) - Steve Kerr got open looks because he played with Michael Jordan and Tim Duncan. I’m of the belief that the single most valuable thing a player can do on the offensive end is attract multiple defenders and deform the defense. It allows the other four players on his team to go against a defense that simply can’t properly matchup with them. —– And remember, the Better Basketball Video ads say with great authority that JJ Redick is the greatest shooter in the history of the universe. Would they lie to us?

    Reply to Petey

    1. bongstradamus Said, I bought all 6 and got the 7th video…ABSOLUTELY FREE! God that ad kills me every day. But on some days, its more interesting to watch than Aldridge and Snow

      Reply to bongstradamus

      1. ACD Said,

        even chancey billups has learned some stuff from those videos…. and he sounds very convincing telling us.

        Reply to ACD

        Posted on January 13th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

      2. Petey Said,

        ” But on some days, its more interesting to watch than Aldridge and Snow”

        I actually dig Snow because he’s one of the few NBA commentators who actually understands what Iverson is trying to do on the court, for the obvious historical reasons.

        Reply to Petey

        Posted on January 13th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

      Posted on January 13th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Posted on January 13th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

  3. Petey Said,

    Kevin,

    Land sakes alive. Having someone reply to a comment destroys the comment’s line breaks in all 3 browsers that I threw at it.

    If you want folks to put effort into comments, fergawdsakes either fix the ‘reply glitch’ or simply disable the ability of folks to thread comments.

    Thanks for your kind attention.

    Reply to Petey

    Posted on January 13th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

  4. bongstradamus Said,

    So on an off subject that relates to the Clippers in like a Kevin Bacon kinda way, since Portland will be on the hook for Darius Miles contract assuming Memphis plays him…what does this mean for Cuttino Mobely’s medical retirement and NY’s salary cap?

    Does NY have the same potential for drama since Mobely had a pre-existing heart condition and signed liability releases for other teams?

    Reply to bongstradamus

    Posted on January 13th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

  5. ACD Said,

    the knicks dont care… that’s the difference. they knew full well that mobley was going to have to retire and still accepted the trade. they dont want the cap space until 2010.

    Reply to ACD

    Posted on January 13th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

  6. EricGordonsAnkleBrace Said,

    Clippers suck. This is depressing.

    Reply to EricGordonsAnkleBrace

    Posted on January 13th, 2009 at 9:24 pm

  7. Boycott Baron Davis Said,

    Baron Says: Man…can’t wait to come back. This team needs me.

    ClipperFan: It’s OK, BullDiddy. Take your time. Go to Bahamas & have fun.

    Baron Says: Oh, nah… I marked Jan. 21st as my return date.

    ClipperFan: Oh, really? We’re playing Lakers at Staples Center!

    Baron Says: Exactly, man. How can I miss playing against my sweet Lakers?
    Entire Los Angeles is going to pay attention. I want to show how good I’m to my family, friends and elite Laker fans.

    ClipperFan: Slowdown BullDiddy…slowdown. You’re still playing under Dunleavy. Don’t you think he’ll use that time to humiliate you?

    Baron Says: hummm…, you think so?

    ClipperFan: You betcha… that’s wahat gonna happen.

    Reply to Boycott Baron Davis

    Posted on January 14th, 2009 at 9:41 am

  8. istillbelieveinbaron Said,

    i hope he proves you wrong.

    Reply to istillbelieveinbaron

    Posted on January 14th, 2009 at 11:54 am

  9. ThePolishRifle Said,

    Where do I score on the 180 shooter thing? Eric P.

    Reply to ThePolishRifle

    Posted on January 14th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

  10. clipsplayforthedraft Said,

    i think pike’s is around 167

    Reply to clipsplayforthedraft

    Posted on January 14th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

  11. New Pike Said,

    Dunleavy decided early on not to give Novak meaningful miuntes. Reason: DEFENSE; as if Clippers have been winning all the games by limiting opposing teams at 85ppg.

    A pure joke indeed.

    Reply to New Pike

    Posted on January 14th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

  12. Great News!!!! Said,

    Finalllllyyyyy… Baron is done with Clippers.

    He’s no longer a fixture in Clippers promo campaign. Instead Eric Gordon rightfully replaced him.

    Reply to Great News!!!!

    Posted on January 14th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

  13. ClipperBlog.com Blog for the Los Angeles NBA Clippers Fans » Blog Archive » Finding Novak Shots Said,

    [...] Novak is one of the most preternaturally gifted outside shooters on the planet, but like many of the “180 Shooters” we highlighted last week, Novak doesn’t have the athleticism to get himself open looks at the basket without some [...]

    Reply to ClipperBlog.com Blog for the Los Angeles NBA Clippers Fans » Blog Archive » Finding Novak Shots

    Posted on January 20th, 2009 at 8:20 am

  14. Kevin Durant and the 180 | Daily Thunder.com - Where Thunder Happens Said,

    [...] at Clipperblog last week, Kevin Arnovitz wrote a nice little diddy about sharpshooting forward Steve Novak and the concept of the 180 shooter. Rick Majerus evidently [...]

    Reply to Kevin Durant and the 180 | Daily Thunder.com - Where Thunder Happens

    Posted on January 21st, 2009 at 10:02 am

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  17. lazer epilasyon Said,

    i hope he proves you wrong.

    Reply to lazer epilasyon

    Posted on April 20th, 2009 at 6:04 am


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