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	<title>Comments on: The Clips Nation-Clipperblog Summit: Part One</title>
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		<title>By: Clipper Derrick</title>
		<link>http://clipperblog.com/2009/06/03/the-clips-nation-clipperblog-summit-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-8968</link>
		<dc:creator>Clipper Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T-Mac?  Ugg.  Injury prone lazy bones.  We shouldn&#039;t even be talking about him here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T-Mac?  Ugg.  Injury prone lazy bones.  We shouldn&#8217;t even be talking about him here.</p>
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		<title>By: Ty</title>
		<link>http://clipperblog.com/2009/06/03/the-clips-nation-clipperblog-summit-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-8946</link>
		<dc:creator>Ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 05:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, forget about T-Mac the player ... wouldn&#039;t you like to have a $20 mill expiring contract next year? and get out from under Kaman or Randolph&#039;s deal? That was my point ... if T-Mac ends up working out ... that&#039;s the cherry on top. The real point is to clear some cap space and, more importantly, PT for Griffin and Gordon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, forget about T-Mac the player &#8230; wouldn&#8217;t you like to have a $20 mill expiring contract next year? and get out from under Kaman or Randolph&#8217;s deal? That was my point &#8230; if T-Mac ends up working out &#8230; that&#8217;s the cherry on top. The real point is to clear some cap space and, more importantly, PT for Griffin and Gordon.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan S.</title>
		<link>http://clipperblog.com/2009/06/03/the-clips-nation-clipperblog-summit-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-8907</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting T-Mac would be terrible.  When he is trying, which is seldom, he totally dominates the ball and doesn&#039;t get anyone involved.  The Rockets were better without him.  Plus he is always injured and doesn&#039;t seem that interested in basketball anymore.  We already had that last year with Baron, T-Mac would be more of the same but worse.  He seems like a good guy personally but would be terrible for the Clips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting T-Mac would be terrible.  When he is trying, which is seldom, he totally dominates the ball and doesn&#8217;t get anyone involved.  The Rockets were better without him.  Plus he is always injured and doesn&#8217;t seem that interested in basketball anymore.  We already had that last year with Baron, T-Mac would be more of the same but worse.  He seems like a good guy personally but would be terrible for the Clips.</p>
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		<title>By: ghost_ride</title>
		<link>http://clipperblog.com/2009/06/03/the-clips-nation-clipperblog-summit-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-8898</link>
		<dc:creator>ghost_ride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, if you look at last year we went in trying to play without a true PF and the results were disastrous.  When we brought Zach in, for better or for worse we looked like a .500 team. 

If we brought T-Mac in, i&#039;m just not sure there&#039;s enough shots for everyone...our team would look like a circus.  Plus, i&#039;d prefer to put the ball in EJ&#039;s hands, and Blake Griffin&#039;s. Let them develop, let BD distribute, Camby rebound, ZBO will do his thing in the post.  The only thing I don&#039;t have an answer for is Thornton...hopefully he improves if we keep him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, if you look at last year we went in trying to play without a true PF and the results were disastrous.  When we brought Zach in, for better or for worse we looked like a .500 team. </p>
<p>If we brought T-Mac in, i&#8217;m just not sure there&#8217;s enough shots for everyone&#8230;our team would look like a circus.  Plus, i&#8217;d prefer to put the ball in EJ&#8217;s hands, and Blake Griffin&#8217;s. Let them develop, let BD distribute, Camby rebound, ZBO will do his thing in the post.  The only thing I don&#8217;t have an answer for is Thornton&#8230;hopefully he improves if we keep him.</p>
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		<title>By: Ty</title>
		<link>http://clipperblog.com/2009/06/03/the-clips-nation-clipperblog-summit-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-8894</link>
		<dc:creator>Ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, I think this is a major error in the mindset of how to construct a team. Who cares who you&#039;re left with down low. The Clippers aren&#039;t winning the finals next year anyway. So play small ball for a season with Randolph at the 5. And you can address adding size in next year&#039;s draft or thru a trade during the season or signing a free agent. Let me ask you ... who was the center for the Warriors? Who was the center for the Bulls? You run Baron, Gordon, Thornton, T-Mac and Randolph or you could go slightly bigger by starting Griffin instead of Thornton (which you probably should do). T-Mac is a nice risk/reward ... maybe he gets healthy, returns to his old form and likes playing on the Clippers? Worst case ... you traded away Kaman&#039;s 4 year deal and you have a 20 million dollar salary that you can trade for someone else in the season or just let expire to create some cap space for one of the best free agent classes ever to hit free agency in next off-season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, I think this is a major error in the mindset of how to construct a team. Who cares who you&#8217;re left with down low. The Clippers aren&#8217;t winning the finals next year anyway. So play small ball for a season with Randolph at the 5. And you can address adding size in next year&#8217;s draft or thru a trade during the season or signing a free agent. Let me ask you &#8230; who was the center for the Warriors? Who was the center for the Bulls? You run Baron, Gordon, Thornton, T-Mac and Randolph or you could go slightly bigger by starting Griffin instead of Thornton (which you probably should do). T-Mac is a nice risk/reward &#8230; maybe he gets healthy, returns to his old form and likes playing on the Clippers? Worst case &#8230; you traded away Kaman&#8217;s 4 year deal and you have a 20 million dollar salary that you can trade for someone else in the season or just let expire to create some cap space for one of the best free agent classes ever to hit free agency in next off-season.</p>
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		<title>By: mandru</title>
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		<dc:creator>mandru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ariza would never leave the Lakers for the Clippers. Any other team but the Clippers.

That would be humiliating...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ariza would never leave the Lakers for the Clippers. Any other team but the Clippers.</p>
<p>That would be humiliating&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mandru</title>
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		<dc:creator>mandru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High trade value for Thornton? I think not... On any other team he&#039;s an streaky energy guy/scorer off the bench. He&#039;s just one fifth of a Ben Gordon in my opinion.

He only make 1.8/year too, so he wouldn&#039;t even help us dump a contract. Comparing Z-Bo to Thornton in trade value is far-reaching.

Keep Thornton, he won&#039;t be making more than 3/year if he doesn&#039;t improve which is a decent price for the kind of role player he could be. Make a move with the big man for a more competent wing and put Al in his proper place on the bench.

No one but Mike Dunleavy will take Randolph off anyone&#039;s hands. And he already has him... So unless MDSr somehow parasitically controls another GMs brain there&#039;s no way of moving this crap bucket of a contract. I don&#039;t think any team (even if they&#039;re making a huge overhaul) would sacrifice two years of disgruntled fans and more revenue to get a salary-dumping contract like Z-Bo&#039;s.

Do you think MDSr secretly wants to be Isiah Thomas? Also, why does Isiah Thomas sell his name &quot;Isiah&quot; and not &quot;Isaiah&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High trade value for Thornton? I think not&#8230; On any other team he&#8217;s an streaky energy guy/scorer off the bench. He&#8217;s just one fifth of a Ben Gordon in my opinion.</p>
<p>He only make 1.8/year too, so he wouldn&#8217;t even help us dump a contract. Comparing Z-Bo to Thornton in trade value is far-reaching.</p>
<p>Keep Thornton, he won&#8217;t be making more than 3/year if he doesn&#8217;t improve which is a decent price for the kind of role player he could be. Make a move with the big man for a more competent wing and put Al in his proper place on the bench.</p>
<p>No one but Mike Dunleavy will take Randolph off anyone&#8217;s hands. And he already has him&#8230; So unless MDSr somehow parasitically controls another GMs brain there&#8217;s no way of moving this crap bucket of a contract. I don&#8217;t think any team (even if they&#8217;re making a huge overhaul) would sacrifice two years of disgruntled fans and more revenue to get a salary-dumping contract like Z-Bo&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Do you think MDSr secretly wants to be Isiah Thomas? Also, why does Isiah Thomas sell his name &#8220;Isiah&#8221; and not &#8220;Isaiah&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I was him I would retire or force a trade. No way that happens, and even if it did, who are we really left with down low? Doesn&#039;t make any sense, but oh wait, that fits right in with how the Clips make their decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was him I would retire or force a trade. No way that happens, and even if it did, who are we really left with down low? Doesn&#8217;t make any sense, but oh wait, that fits right in with how the Clips make their decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Zach Randolph is a valuable piece on a team that is dedicated to playing defense. I was hopeful that Marcus Camby could have been a catalyst in much the same way KG helped the Celtics (Was Paul Pierce or Ray Allen really known for their D before last year?). Unfortunately, Camby doesn&#039;t have the intensity or presence of a KG to make that big an impact. I look at the Clippers situation as extremely hopeful. They certainly have some interesting pieces. How about this deal ... Marcus Camby and Chris Kaman to the Rockets for T-Mac? The Rockets get another defensive cog to add to Battier and Artest in Camby. And they get Ming insurance with Kaman (now that Dikembe is retiring). It&#039;s clear that the Rockets play much better without T-Mac. But lost in all that qualitative evidence is that T-Mac is a top player in this league when healthy, and might be the perfect 2nd banana behind Baron Davis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Zach Randolph is a valuable piece on a team that is dedicated to playing defense. I was hopeful that Marcus Camby could have been a catalyst in much the same way KG helped the Celtics (Was Paul Pierce or Ray Allen really known for their D before last year?). Unfortunately, Camby doesn&#8217;t have the intensity or presence of a KG to make that big an impact. I look at the Clippers situation as extremely hopeful. They certainly have some interesting pieces. How about this deal &#8230; Marcus Camby and Chris Kaman to the Rockets for T-Mac? The Rockets get another defensive cog to add to Battier and Artest in Camby. And they get Ming insurance with Kaman (now that Dikembe is retiring). It&#8217;s clear that the Rockets play much better without T-Mac. But lost in all that qualitative evidence is that T-Mac is a top player in this league when healthy, and might be the perfect 2nd banana behind Baron Davis.</p>
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		<title>By: bootstrenf</title>
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		<dc:creator>bootstrenf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how is he impossible to guard???


double him in the paint, and sag off him one on one on the perimeter...

he&#039;s too stupid to pass out of doubles when he&#039;s posted....

when you sag off him on the perimter, he takes stupid long jumpers 

that miss more often than make.....

he scores a lot yes, but he also takes a lot of shots...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how is he impossible to guard???</p>
<p>double him in the paint, and sag off him one on one on the perimeter&#8230;</p>
<p>he&#8217;s too stupid to pass out of doubles when he&#8217;s posted&#8230;.</p>
<p>when you sag off him on the perimter, he takes stupid long jumpers </p>
<p>that miss more often than make&#8230;..</p>
<p>he scores a lot yes, but he also takes a lot of shots&#8230;</p>
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