Some Quick Butler Practicalities

12 Aug 2009

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Rasual Butler’s cap number was $4,045,000, but $100,000 of that was a bonus/incentive for “team achievements.” The Hornets, in turn, get that $4.045M as a trade exception.

The Clippers, meanwhile, absorb Butler using $3,945,000 of their $7.3M trade exception from the Randolph-Richardson deal. They don’t have to account for the $100,000 bonus/incentive in their cap number.

That leaves the Clips with a $3,355,000 trade exception.

For all practical purposes, the Clippers have now effectively moved Zach Randolph for Craig Smith, Mark Madsen, Sebastian Telfair, Rasual Butler, and a $3,355,000 trade exception.

http://www.blazersedge.com Blazers Edge Ben

really like this move for the clips.
Stian

“For all practical purposes, the Clippers have now effectively moved Zach Randolph for Craig Smith, Mark Madsen, Sebastian Telfair, Rasual Butler, and a $3,355,000 trade exception.”

Now that’s some stellar GMing. Dunleavy may not have a future as an NBA coach but definitely as a GM.

This move is better/smarter than all of Elgin Baylor’s moves combined in 20+ years. And people wonder why the Clippers were God awful for so long……
- Ben
  
  eligin baylor was a great gm he got us into the second round of the playoffs so stop hatin on him
  - Jax
    
    Actually MDSr’s been the real GM for the past six years.
  - TNT57
    
    ‘CHILD PLEASE!” Baylor is hands down, without question the worst GM in sports history. How many winning seasons did the Clippers have under his leadership? I rest my case. He might be a nice man and a great player but a 6 year old with a dart board could have done a better job.
    - Shawn H.
      
      Lol…let me guess, you must have watched the new Hard Knocks show with the Bengals. Anywho, I like the Butler pickup…he may not be a great player, but he’s a nice, needed addition to a team that needs depth. Maybe more important, this might light a fire under Thornton’s ass.
      
      One more note…the Clippers finalized a new radio deal with KFWB 980 today.
http://TheHighPosts.com TheHighPosts

Don’t start the GM parades for Dumbleavy just yet. This is just one transaction, and it is a good one, don’t forget it was he who brought in Zach in the first place!
- Stian
  
  No, this is not just ‘one transaction’ – it was the latest in a string of moves.
  
  Also, I have no problem with the Z-Bo acquisition – we needed a low post player bad after EB bailed. He played hard for us from Day 1 and was our best player last year. I wish I could’ve said the same about Baron. In fact, Z-Bo would still be here if it wasn’t for us lucking into Griffin.
  - http://www.firedunleavy.com FireDunleavy .com
    
    They’re still not going to make the playoffs. How does getting some decent backups and some cap space really help them. Yeah, I guess the trade is good, but who are the 2 people that are gonna get cut now? Novack, Ricky Davis and/or Madsen?
    
    Ricky Davis was supposed to be the guy that shared time with Thorton. Who knows what will happen and what Dunleavy will do to drive the team apart.
    
    People on the message boards were praising Dunleavy’s moves last year too.
    - Stian
      
      GM Dunleavy made the best of bad situation last year. Bringing in Baron was clearly not his idea – it was a favor to Brand. When Brand bailed he couldn’t say, “well, I never wanted Baron so we’re gonna reneg on the deal!” Season ticket holders would’ve had a collective cow if he did that, for one. It’s also not Dunleavy’s fault that Baron pulled a Jenny Craig stunt and decided to quit on this team less than 10 games into the season. It also wasn’t his fault that Rick Davis’ knees went to shit and he couldn’t play/shoot worth a damn. Getting rid of Thomas, who was worthless, and Mobley for a 20/10 guy like Randolph was a no-brainer and helped the team. We played .500 ball with Zach before Voskuhl took him out for 2 months. Bottom line: Last year was the perfect shitstorm for us and everything that could possibly go wrong did – except for the fact that we drafted Gordon and Jordan.
      - http://www.firedunleavy.com FireDunleavy .com
        
        It’s not like he came into a new situation. These are Dunleavy’s players. Dunleavy picked them. Dunleavy screwed up the negotiations. It is Dunleavy’s fault because he’s the GM. They used to be a playoff team. Yeah, injuries… Maybe Dunleavy shouldn’t get a bunch of players that are injury prone. It also doesn’t take a genius to figure out most of the players Dunleavy got don’t fit into his system.
        
        FIRE DUNLEAVY PLEASE!!!
        
        Dunleavy is the worst coach in the NBA and an average GM at best. As a coach, he runs the same play over and over which never works. He makes ZERO in-game adjustments and ALWAYS loses his team after halftime. Its like he bores them to sleep and they spend the 3rd quarter waking back up. He does not coach to his players strenths, rather forcing them to adhere to his “system” which is antiquated and ineffective. His player conditioning is atrocious which is why we have so many injuries and why the team falls off in the 2nd half continuously. Good coaches make good players look great and average players look good. Dunleavy makes good players look average and average players look atrocious.
        
        FIRE DUNLEAVY!!!
    - Jordan
      
      Who says they’re not? This team is solid 1-10. SF was the weakest position and now they’ve filled that hole with a guy who can both defend the position and hit threes. Exactly what they needed. Camby, Kaman, Griffin and DeAndre Jordan are perhaps the best collection of big men (outside the Lakers) in terms of on court production and potential. Davis has been working hard this summer (has his new shoes in China to sell) and Gordon is one year more experienced. The last couple of spots in the West are up for grabs. One injury to the Hornets will expose how paper thin they are now. The Suns are placing a lot of hope on Amare being healthy and 04-ish. The Warriors have plenty of talent, but a unorthodox coach. The Rockets are without Yao, McGrady, Artest and Von Wafer for that mater. The Thunder could be really good, but they’re young and lacking in big-man depth. I just think the Clips have a great shot this year. And for all the talk about New YOrk and NJ and Chicago, who wouldn’t want to play in Staples with this young crop of talent? If Lebron was smart, he’d come out West and share a building with Kobe. I mean, the Clips do need a small forward…
      - http://www.firedunleavy.com FireDunleavy .com
        
        I think with their easy first half schedule they’ll get some confidence and end up at about 35-40 wins. Baron Davis is never going to work well in Dunleavy’s system. Then you got 2 very young players with Gordon and Griffin. Kaman will miss half the year and he played like crap last year anyway.
the chosen one

Don’t we still have MLE
- pel
  
  yep, we might use most of it to sign sessions though
mario1p

this trade is a good one and i agree with stian
Clipsamba

OK, little stuff has been taken care of. NOW BIG ONE IS GONNA COME SOONER THAN LATER.

Big one will involve Baron, Kaman, Camby & Ricky.
Petey Pablo

I keep watching and in a sense, brain washing myself by 6 or 7 games on my HD dvr. When the Clippers played hard and hustled on defense, they could hang with any team. Plenty of offense on this squad, When Baron makes his shots and drives to the rim, teams will have a hard time stopping him.
B

If any body says the lakers have one of the best bigs in the business there kidding themsleves they get calls and it’s not the 3seconds that pau and andrew kneecaps never get called on.And talking crap on eb the greatest laker ever to play and giving props to mdsr should turn there red and blue and sometime light blue (buffalo throw back)jersey back. the last what decade jk of msdr it’s almost that though has been players msdr wanted not eb i’m not saying eb was a great gm i’m just saying dont talk crap on him and praise the only coach to lose 300 games with two different teams people forget that eb brought us ron harper for that piece of crap ferry and some other guys people forget that when the timberwolves suck ass for the next 4years (hope they suck bad in 2012) that pick will be from eb and the fact that we got an all star for an over hyped local product for a future all star in eb so dont talk crap on him it all starts with ownership now the bad drafting thats all on eb.And for the talk we’re going to the postseason we as clipper fans say that every year just i say the same thing for my raiders (how sad is that i’m a fan of two of the worst sports teams over the last decade)So i will believe it when i see it there’s nothing better than going to staples to watch the clippers play in the playoffs and boo all the celebs who go to check out la’s other team just cause there winning (has anybody seen frankie muniz or billy crystal or kaddem dwayne wayne hardison)And the talk of sessions if msdr does get him to come to the clipshow will he ruin him if you check msdr record on young pgs it’s not that great it’s all ways been a veteran running the show i guess the key word is can a zebra change his stripes i hope for our sake it can happen
- Stian
  
  Two things:
  
  1) Elgin Baylor was a damn hack any way you slice it.
  
  2) Dunleavy has had ONE above average PG since he’s been here: Cassell. Everybody else has been abysmal to forgettable; Baron was pathetic last year and it wasn’t Dun’s fault. Livingston was a physical trainwreck. Sessions will be just fine as a Clipper if we can get him.
http://csauce.com Ben S.

i say waive ricky davis….and damn who else…..
i really liek Craig Smith (he always murdered us when he played against us)
and Mark Madsen well its a cliche but if you guys have watched our games the last couple years we can really use his hustle …especially on the boards…….
Jax

I think KA fails to state the best result of the Zbo deal: it freed up a starting position and more minutes for Griffin.

Addition by subtraction.
- JM
  
  I don’t think KA failed to state anything. He lists the net assets gained by swapping out Randolph’s contract. Yes, playing time for BG and chemistry are nice. But instead of being merely salary dumped, Randolph was traded for some actual value.
  
  More than addition by subtraction, it’s transitive value of inequalities:
  
  Randolph < Richardson+TE < Telfair+Smith+Madsen+Butler
  - Jax
    
    Um, I wasn’t criticizing KA. Relax. The point is, in my opinion, that the best part of the trade in addition to the salary dump is that Griffin can start and get more minutes and the chemistry issues you mentioned. No one thought that MDSr would be able to pull off such an essential trade with ZBo’s albatross contract and reputation involved. (Which is why so many of us thought that bringing him here in the first place was such a disaster.)
    
    Again, the key aspect of the ZBo trade was addition by subtraction / salary dump, “transitive value of inequalities” notwithstanding.
chaderack

thats all we need fuckers! Go CLIPPERS!
Javyg

For all those dunleavy haters shut the f&@$ up already this guy coached arguably the best clipper team we’ve had in 05-06. The following year we barely missed out on the playoffs. And the following year we were without EB for pretty much all year, cassell quit on us who could blame him and at times our best big was Tim Thomas do u have any idea how frustrating that must have been? before the playoff year we had bobby simmons and Quentin Richardson and EB and an injured maggette come on peeps dunleavy has done a great job considering the talent he’s had just look at it this way how many good point guards has he had?
cassell, and Davis I guess. And bad guards? Marko jaric , Livingston, brunson, hart, brevin knight, Fred jones, Lionel chalmers, mardy Collins, yeah those have all been starters for us ask any coach to try and have a winning record after 6 years with these guys.
- Jax
  
  The fact that many of us think MDSr is a horrible coach doesn’t make us haters. Quickly, he’s sub .400 in his six year tenure here. He’s had one year with a winning record. That year, Cassell took over. I demand more from a coach making $5 Million a year. Maybe some of you don’t.
  
  The following year we would have had a winning record and made the playoffs but he stubbornly played Corey off the bench, when the only other consistent scorer on the team was EB. That killed us. I’m highly confident KA would agree with me on that. Once they finally installed Corey in the starting lineup the team played better and almost made the playoffs.
  
  Your argument that he didn’t have sufficient talent is ludicrous because he’s been the de facto GM of the team for the past six years. That’s on him too.
  
  MDSr’s iso offense is not a dynamic offense that in my opinion involves the team. It’s also highly predictable and easy to defend. Last year he absolutely lost the team.
  - Jax
    
    Stan Van Gundy on MDSr’s coaching abilities:
    
    “The Clippers are a good team. They are just thinking too much. That’s why they have these terrible slumps.”
    - neiljphx
      
      I can foget the too many x’s and o’s and the injuries and all the shit. My main concern is just if MDsr and Baron can work it out. Will be fun to watch 8 seed or not if those 2 can get it working.
      - SamMays
        
        If we get Sessions, Baron and Dunleavy may not have to get along… I would laugh my ass off if Baron got benched and the Clips made the playoffs with him moping on the bench, or pulling an Iverson claiming a non-existent injury. It would be just what he’d deserve.
btc

We are in a position of power with sessions. No other suitors and the bucks are cheap. I hope we don’t mess this up by trading away Al when we don’t have to.
http://hitfix.com jgroove

Anyone remember how impactful Orlando Woolridge was? That’s Al Thorton. He’ll go somewhere else and put up good numbers, but he’ll be a 4th or 5th option and won’t help them win. He seems like a nice guy, but if you don’t know how to rebound and pass by 25…it ain’t happenin’
- beard the curse
  
  Why give up talent when u don’t have to? The Bucks have no leverage with Sessions.
Roz

Hey don’t label Rick Brunson as a bad guard, he’s probably the best PG we had outside of Cassell in recent years. Don’t deny it!
clipsamba

IT’S UNBELIEVABLE!!!

We’ve gotten better. Still we have decent players other teams want.

1. Baron Davis: Likely suiters- Lakers & GSW.
2. Marcus Camby: Likely suiters- Spurs, Dallas, NY, Celtics.
3. Chris Kaman: Likely suiters- Dallas, Phoenix, GSW, Houston.
4. Ricky Davis: Any team. What a waste!
5. Al Thornton: Likely suiters: Atlanta, Orlando, Miami.

Trading away starers? Why not?
TNT57

What the hell do you guys think is on Baron’s stolen laptop that’s making him freak out? This could be a HUGE scandal and derail his season. Imagine if there’s video of this idiot smoking weed or worse? I think this could be a really bad deal for Mister Davis. Stay tuned.
- Ian
  
  Smoking weed would derail the season? How old are you? 95? Something like 60+% of American adults have smoked pot (and that number’s only going to get bigger as Gen X/Y & the Baby Boomers become a larger percentage of “American Adults”). Nobody cares about pot anymore.
  - TNT57
    
    You don’t think he’d get suspended if there’s video of him getting high? How old are you…5?
- Stian
  
  Could be anything from goat sex to binging and purging boxes of donuts.
  
  Whoever has the laptop should tell Baron that he’ll get it back the day he’s traded by the Clippers or his deal expires. Until then he has to give 100% effort all the time and live up to his hefty paycheck or the goat sex videos go up on YouTube.
Petey Pablo

Could be some R.Kelly type of Sh##. Imagine Baron peeing on some one or pooping.
- http://www.firedunleavy.com FireDunleavy .com
  
  I’ve imagined him doing this to someone for a long time.
  - JM
    
    …TMI?
B

no one is hating on mike suckleavy he’s a horrible coach with an outdated plan of running a team and coaching.I know elgin was horrible but to give msdr props is horrible.Him and the biggot have made this team horrible even when the team was ok it wasnt ok, not to contend for a championship.Thats how sad it is being a clipper fan we were happy we got to the semis that was not a championship caliber team.We got lucky and didnt get a team that would have worked us like the spurs to many times that year elton would settle for his jumper he fell in love with (like e on entourage fallen for sloan when he has other better options) it and would jack up bad shots like corey the team was ok it donalds reason for not bringing in new talent was why would i want somebody from another team that the current team doesnt want that was his motto for years when elgin was running the team he’s changed his stance on that a little bit (z-bo)but all in all suckleavy is killing this team just as bad as the donald is.And our best team ever was when larry brown was coaching the team (which by far is larry brown best coaching job ever)So clipper fans i hope for all our painful seasons i hope this is us turning over a new leaf and become the main team in la
- Crack heads
  
  “we think your writing style is annoying and hard to follow.”
Petey Pablo

I would be happy to see the Clippers beat the Lakers 2 out 4 this season.
Playoffs? If this team stays diciplined and cares to put up an effort atleast the majority of games , It is within reach.
TNT57

Face it, Baron has been poopin’ on all of us ever since he got here. I have video to prove it. You know there’s some freaky shit on that lap top. Let this be a lesson boys and girls, don’t leave your twisted shit out where someone can snatch it. I can just hear the phone call now… RING! B.D.: Hello? LONG PAUSE B.D.: Who is this? SQUEAKY VOICE: Is this Baron Davis? GIGGLE. B.D. Yeah. Who is this? PAUSE. S.V. The same Baron Davis that plays for the Clippers? MORE GIGGLES. B.D. Yes. Who the hell is this? ANOTHER PAUSE S.V. The same Baron Davis that I’m watchin’ spread peanut butter all over some girls… B.D. Oh shit! CLICK/DIAL TONE. Say it ain’t so Joe.
laknights

Maybe the computer has nothing more than emails stating what he REALLY thinks of owner, coach, other players….
Perhaps he defecates on them in a figurative sense.
- clipsamba
  
  And the fans.
http://www.twitter.com/HitFixGregory jgroove

Can we talk about what’s really important? Clippers find a radio home — for more than one year! 980. Could be worse. At least it’s a good signal. Can’t believe 570 wouldn’t take them. Will that station last much longer without the Lakers? All they got is UCLA…
- Shawn H.
  
  980 kinda surprised me a bit, I kinda thought that 570 would go after the Clips after losing the Lakers to 710. I do know that those Laker-loving idiots over at Channels 2 and 9 (co-owned with 980 by CBS) will be forced to promote Clipper radio broadcasts on KFWB, much like they did when KFWB had the Dodgers. Outside of UCLA sports and the Chargers, 570 is all national now, they’re carrying national NFL games alongside the Chargers. Maybe they’ll move the Kings from sister station 1150 to 570, so they can say they’re carrying a local professional sports team (yeah I know it’s hockey and the Kings have been rebuilding as long as their current Clippers).
  - http://www.twitter.com/HitFixGregory jgroove
    
    Not to rip on hockey (it’s way too easy these days), but does anyone even know the Kings are still in LA? Talk about a team that’s fallen off the cultural map…
Plus 15

You can’t understand Elgin Baylor as GM without understanding that Sterling did not give him the breathing room he’s given Dunleavy. A big difference. Sterling deep in his 7os may suddenly be thinking about “adjusting” his despicable and deserved reputation ie legacy. As to Dunleavy being great GM for 6 years – Koralev, personally lost Elton Brand, had to be restrained from trading Maggette and now making deal with AI. Bet Olshey a major contributor. Dunleavy has shown his eyes too big for his coaching ability. But I can take the GM, I think, but expect problems as coach after short honeymoon. Hope Mr. Stupid (Sterling) doesn’t extend MDsr’s deal, Sterling invariably extends his coaches when all around him are screaming Nooooo. That’s only reason Mike is still here.
- Stian
  
  “You can’t understand Elgin Baylor as GM without understanding that Sterling did not give him the breathing room he’s given Dunleavy.” -
  
  What exactly does Sterling being cheap have to do with drafting horrible players for literally 20 years straight like Elgin did? – There was hardly anybody worth keeping whom Baylor had drafted. Except for Manning, Elgin failed to draft even ONE all-star level player in all his years. That means he was an EPIC FAILURE at his job. Dunleavy has picked a couple of duds, too, especially Korolev, but Baylor is in a league all his own when it comes to misjudging young talent. Good riddance to that senile fool. I hope Sterling trashes that pathetic ingrate in court when EB’s racism/ageism lawsuit goes to trial.
  - Jax
    
    Let’s get the facts straight Stian, shall we? Or are you MDSr.
    
    MDSr’s been the GM for the past six years by contract. He and Sterling engaged in a charade where Baylor was the figurehead GM (black figurehead) while they ran the show. They lied to you, me, and everyone else. Except that the league knew about it and Elton’s agent Falk finally exposed the truth last summer.
    
    MDSr’s record as GM the past six years? Sub .400. One playoff appearance. One year with a winning record (and that just barely).
    
    Only the Clippers would keep such a loser on.
    
    Your allegations about Baylor, who was not allowed to do anything, are beyond the pale. Yes, Baylor participated in the charade too, but give me a break. MDSr is a complete loser for his active participation for five years in a charade involving one of the best former players in the NBA. While we can feel sorry for Elgin, it’s difficult to feel sorry for the loser who manipulated us all.
    - http://www.firedunleavy.com FireDunleavy .com
      
      Don’t forget his GM/coaching history with the Bucks.
    - bongstradamus
      
      Baylor got us Lamar Odom, Elton Brand and Corey Maggette. That alone made me respect the man. For the first time in history, we actually matched a deal for a free agent and retained Elton and Corey. The first time I really believed in this team was during the 2001 season. Sure Darius ended up fizzling out, but it was an exciting time when he was our rookie. My best memories are not from 2006, but from 2001. I loved that team. Even Sean Rooks made me cheer. I loved seeing Corey singlehandedly beat the Lakers in the 4th quarter in the span of 5 minutes. The Gentry/Baylor years were actually some of the best this team has produced even though they werent winning or going to the playoffs, you still wanted to watch those young guns get out and run.
      - Stian
        
        “Baylor got us Lamar Odom, Elton Brand and Corey Maggette. That alone made me respect the man. For the first time in history, we actually matched a deal for a free agent and retained Elton and Corey.” —
        
        To be truthful, Sterling HAD to match those deals in order to meet minimum payroll which was like 30 mio. at the time. We needed those contracts on the books to get above the threshold. To give Elgin credit for any of this is misguided.
        
        bongstradamus
        
        Fair nuff. But we do credit Elgin with drafting Lamar Odom, and trading for Elton Brand and Corey Maggette.
B

Why does bd have to some r kelly type stuff on his lap top i hope and pray that when were on our 8 game win streak some stuff doesnt go viral and he goes back to bd last year.when are the clips going to sign desmond mason and if they dont get sessions go after cj watson they already missed out on rudy fernandez.And the kings still play in l.a. and can somebody explain to me why do clipper games on t.v. channel 5 and when they were on channel 13 look like a bad bootleg movie from china the quality is just horrible the pic looks all grainny.P.s if there something bad like the p-nut butter on a girls ass lets hope kobe is in that video to playing with pau’s butt hole or something
bootstrenf

hey B, your run on paragraphs are beginning to bug the shit out of me….

punctuation is your friend….i’m not a grammar/spelling nazi in any way, but you are going overboard with that crap…
- Slax
  
  I second that motion. All in favor.
  - http://clipperblog.com RaymondInClipperland
    
    I!
    - RL
      
      I!!!!
B

this is a sport blog not some ap class if i want a run on sentence i can do it.I dont say anything about the vulgar words that are on here. Are you happy now i put to periods (make that 3)on here.
- Slax
  
  B you’re missing the point (pardon the pun), as Clippers fans we want to hear the opinions and views of other fans, or at least I do. I really tried reading your posts to see what you had to say. However that was harder than it should have been because of the missing punctuation and run on sentences. Sentences need structural formatting to be processed by the brain with the intended meaning.
RL

In other news, Q just got traded to Miami for Mark Blount. Poor fellow,… he must feel so unloved. It’s allright Q, we still love you and that headband-thingy-that-you-do.
whittier man

get off dunleavy back ! clips will be all right .

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