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		<title>By: Chris.</title>
		<link>http://clipperblog.com/2009/10/24/notes-from-the-final-preseason-outing/comment-page-1/#comment-23246</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, so let&#039;s put out a team just so &quot;no one will expect miracles from Clippers?&quot;  That makes no sense whatsoever.  We are better with Davis &amp; Camby &amp; Kaman, bottom line, expectations or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, so let&#8217;s put out a team just so &#8220;no one will expect miracles from Clippers?&#8221;  That makes no sense whatsoever.  We are better with Davis &amp; Camby &amp; Kaman, bottom line, expectations or not.</p>
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		<title>By: bongstradamus</title>
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		<dc:creator>bongstradamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really hard to like Kaman when he gets paid $10m a season.

Stephen Jackson makes less than Kaman.  Antawn Jamison makes less than Kaman.  EmOkafor makes nearly the same.  Comparing his salary to other people in the same range just shows how really far off the mark he is.

I mean, for what we pay him, he needs to show up.  Hes either injured, or scatterbrained, or he surprises the heck out of you.  If he was just more consistent or could really focus while playing I wouldnt have to much animosity towards him but more often than not he seems more like a liability than an asset, even during the games he seems to put it all together you can count on him turning the ball over at least twice.

Then to see offseason videos of submachine guns and pyrotechnics...I mean, you just want to roll your eyes.  He seems more serious about blowing things up than being successful with his career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really hard to like Kaman when he gets paid $10m a season.</p>
<p>Stephen Jackson makes less than Kaman.  Antawn Jamison makes less than Kaman.  EmOkafor makes nearly the same.  Comparing his salary to other people in the same range just shows how really far off the mark he is.</p>
<p>I mean, for what we pay him, he needs to show up.  Hes either injured, or scatterbrained, or he surprises the heck out of you.  If he was just more consistent or could really focus while playing I wouldnt have to much animosity towards him but more often than not he seems more like a liability than an asset, even during the games he seems to put it all together you can count on him turning the ball over at least twice.</p>
<p>Then to see offseason videos of submachine guns and pyrotechnics&#8230;I mean, you just want to roll your eyes.  He seems more serious about blowing things up than being successful with his career.</p>
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		<title>By: get serious</title>
		<link>http://clipperblog.com/2009/10/24/notes-from-the-final-preseason-outing/comment-page-1/#comment-23226</link>
		<dc:creator>get serious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atleast no one will expect miracles from Clippers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atleast no one will expect miracles from Clippers.</p>
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		<title>By: get serious</title>
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		<dc:creator>get serious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;do well&quot; or we can say &quot;play well&quot; together. That&#039;s what I meant. Baron brings some emotional baggage. His team-mates might not &quot;feel&quot; right with Baron for several reasons. He thinks lowly about Clippers just like everybody else in the league. You can see it on his expressions. Staying with the Clippers is just a business as usual for him.

Then there&#039;s KAMAN. His team-mates  know why he&#039;s here. They know he doesn&#039;t value basketball anymore. He&#039;s enough money to take care himself. His loved ones told him not to bang his body and warned against getting injured. It&#039;s not worth it. They&#039;re just Clippers. If you want to play hard, join Lakers. That&#039;s what Derek Fisher did. He went to Warriors for money. But did take pride in playing hard for them like did for Lakers. Beware of DEREK FISHER type of players. There are few of them in this league. KAMAN is one of them.

Oh, Camby. He&#039;s still here. Nothing personal. He&#039;s a great guy. I like him. But he should not think, he can continue to play when he never feels ready for practice sessions. IVERSON felt the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;do well&#8221; or we can say &#8220;play well&#8221; together. That&#8217;s what I meant. Baron brings some emotional baggage. His team-mates might not &#8220;feel&#8221; right with Baron for several reasons. He thinks lowly about Clippers just like everybody else in the league. You can see it on his expressions. Staying with the Clippers is just a business as usual for him.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s KAMAN. His team-mates  know why he&#8217;s here. They know he doesn&#8217;t value basketball anymore. He&#8217;s enough money to take care himself. His loved ones told him not to bang his body and warned against getting injured. It&#8217;s not worth it. They&#8217;re just Clippers. If you want to play hard, join Lakers. That&#8217;s what Derek Fisher did. He went to Warriors for money. But did take pride in playing hard for them like did for Lakers. Beware of DEREK FISHER type of players. There are few of them in this league. KAMAN is one of them.</p>
<p>Oh, Camby. He&#8217;s still here. Nothing personal. He&#8217;s a great guy. I like him. But he should not think, he can continue to play when he never feels ready for practice sessions. IVERSON felt the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: humbleathletics</title>
		<link>http://clipperblog.com/2009/10/24/notes-from-the-final-preseason-outing/comment-page-1/#comment-23221</link>
		<dc:creator>humbleathletics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-the guy is as smart as a bag of hammers.
-he has no concept of how to pass out of a double team.
-he is injury prone and hasnt played close to a full season in the last 4 years.
-he is overpaid and takes up too much cap room.
-he has multiple mental breakdowns every game that have cost the team wins. 
-he has amazing footwork and is ambidextrous but has never finished consistently.
-he is a below average on ball defender.
..........need i go on?

with all of this being said, i still would like to keep him on the team because of the positives he brings.  most nights he controlls the boards.  he is a presence in helpside D.  he does command a double team and is our best option in the post.  if he ever can finish and hit that jumper with consistency, he should be an 18/12 guy.  problem is, he has never been consistent whether due to injury (mostly), focus, roster changes, switching medication, etc...

i am hoping he can come out focused and healthy this year and prove his worth to the team and value in the league.  that way we can better evaluate the entire roster at midseason while having options to move and shake if necessary.

kaman plays better when he is loose and the team is having fun.  i see a better blend of personalities and characters in the locker room this year and feel it will translate into better play on the floor from the team and specifically kaman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-the guy is as smart as a bag of hammers.<br />
-he has no concept of how to pass out of a double team.<br />
-he is injury prone and hasnt played close to a full season in the last 4 years.<br />
-he is overpaid and takes up too much cap room.<br />
-he has multiple mental breakdowns every game that have cost the team wins.<br />
-he has amazing footwork and is ambidextrous but has never finished consistently.<br />
-he is a below average on ball defender.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.need i go on?</p>
<p>with all of this being said, i still would like to keep him on the team because of the positives he brings.  most nights he controlls the boards.  he is a presence in helpside D.  he does command a double team and is our best option in the post.  if he ever can finish and hit that jumper with consistency, he should be an 18/12 guy.  problem is, he has never been consistent whether due to injury (mostly), focus, roster changes, switching medication, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>i am hoping he can come out focused and healthy this year and prove his worth to the team and value in the league.  that way we can better evaluate the entire roster at midseason while having options to move and shake if necessary.</p>
<p>kaman plays better when he is loose and the team is having fun.  i see a better blend of personalities and characters in the locker room this year and feel it will translate into better play on the floor from the team and specifically kaman.</p>
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		<title>By: Euthanize Kaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Euthanize Kaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. Most teams that start a rookie and two second year players end up with great records...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Most teams that start a rookie and two second year players end up with great records&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: humbleathletics</title>
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		<dc:creator>humbleathletics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is your distorted interpretation of the meaning of &quot;do well&quot;?

i think this team could &quot;do well&quot; in a couple of years.

i guess it all depends on who we would receive in the trades, assuming it would not be expiring contracts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is your distorted interpretation of the meaning of &#8220;do well&#8221;?</p>
<p>i think this team could &#8220;do well&#8221; in a couple of years.</p>
<p>i guess it all depends on who we would receive in the trades, assuming it would not be expiring contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: get serious</title>
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		<dc:creator>get serious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This team can do well without Baron, Camby &amp; Kaman. Try this-

Starting line-up

Griffin
DeAndre
Telfair
Gordon
Butler

BENCH
Craig Smith
Skinner/ new Center(after trade)
Thornton
Collins/ new PG(after trade)
K.Rush</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This team can do well without Baron, Camby &amp; Kaman. Try this-</p>
<p>Starting line-up</p>
<p>Griffin<br />
DeAndre<br />
Telfair<br />
Gordon<br />
Butler</p>
<p>BENCH<br />
Craig Smith<br />
Skinner/ new Center(after trade)<br />
Thornton<br />
Collins/ new PG(after trade)<br />
K.Rush</p>
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		<title>By: get serious</title>
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		<dc:creator>get serious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If our goal is to WIN, then make a decisive and cold blooded move to trade Baron. Kaman and Camby. 

As long as these 3 are in the mix, we&#039;ll continue to end up beaten no matter how hard Griffin, Gordon &amp; Co. play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If our goal is to WIN, then make a decisive and cold blooded move to trade Baron. Kaman and Camby. </p>
<p>As long as these 3 are in the mix, we&#8217;ll continue to end up beaten no matter how hard Griffin, Gordon &amp; Co. play.</p>
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		<title>By: los831</title>
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		<dc:creator>los831</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why does everyone want Kaman gone? he can shoot the mid range and is versatile in the paint.. i notice Griffin is always hanging out with him. Chris is helping Blake   yo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why does everyone want Kaman gone? he can shoot the mid range and is versatile in the paint.. i notice Griffin is always hanging out with him. Chris is helping Blake   yo</p>
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