Top five units in basketball in overall rating (offensive points per 100 possessions-defensive points per 100 possessions, minimum 100 minutes played):
1. Dallas Mavericks (41.42)
Jason Kidd
Jason Terry
Shawn Marion
Dirk Nowitzki
Erick Dampier
2. Atlanta Hawks (36.66)
Mike Bibby
Jamal Crawford
Joe Johnson
Josh Smith
Al Horford
3. Los Angeles Lakers (24.22)
Derek Fisher
Kobe Bryant
Ron Artest
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum
4. Orlando Magic (20.28)
Jason Williams
Vince Carter
Mickael Pietrus
Rashard Lewis
Dwight Howard
5. Los Angeles Clippers (20.00)
Baron Davis
Eric Gordon
Rasual Butler
Marcus Camby
Chris Kaman
If you go with Adjusted +/- (account for both the teammates and the opponents on the floor), that Clippers unit jumps to #4 ahead of the Lakers unit.
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Our record sure doesn’t reflect this…
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Posted on December 10th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
write us in for the third seed!
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Posted on December 10th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
I always knew we were great and didn’t need to improve… So long as I know we’ve got the 4th best unit in the league, I’m satisfied no matter how poorly they play.
Just think of how great that unit will be when we start winning…
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Posted on December 10th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
New Clipperblog poll!
Kevin Arnovitz’s room has posters of one the following:
A: Shane Battier
B: Offensive/Defensive +/- charts
C: Marcus Camby
D: Eric Gordon
E: All of the above
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Posted on December 10th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Just think how good that unit would be and the improved record if Dunleavy was a functional coach, knew how to handle players, knew how to use his substitutes and role players, got Novack a little warm before the last 90 seconds and hadn’t already lost them and continue to lose them every time they decide Ok we’ll listen and do his thing even though he’s a lame, unpleasant, disrespectfu,l egotistical excuse for an NBA coach. BTW any thought that LeBron will choose the Clippers is really ridiculous as long as Dunleavy is in charge.
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bongstradamus Reply:
December 10th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
The last game against Orlando, Dunleavy made some key subs that were perfect in the beginning of the game, but by the 4th quarter the starters were dead tired and he didnt get the 2nd unit in there to spell them for a push at the end of the quarter.
The one thing driving me crazy is the force feeding of Kaman, who is terrible offensively despite his insane FG% earlier in the season. Kaman’s a great defensive presence, but to hang the game on his 20 shot attempts is just a recipe for disaster. If we gave EJ 20 shot attempts we’d have won. Heck, if we even fed Marcus the ball a few more times we could have won.
Kamans getting too many looks and played too many minutes. Dun really has to think about when to sub out Camby and Kaman with DeAndre and Rhino. We are really blessed to have the bigs we do, because our first unit is a great defensive squad and our second unit is just as strong but much more athletic and energetic at the rim. We could have really used our bench at key moments in the 3rd and 4th, but Dun kept the starters on the floor and they just ran out of gas when the game was on the line.
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andrew Reply:
December 10th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
ZBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
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bongstradamus Reply:
December 11th, 2009 at 2:57 am
zbo huh?
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Posted on December 10th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Totally agree. That is why the players get injured. Im starting to think he is going to stay with this poor player movement and mess up Blakes performance when he returns as well. Dunleavy is a great Gm, but shitty coach and a year will be wasted before the Clips brass realize this.
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Posted on December 10th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Dunleavy a great GM? WOW! I didn’t realize bringing Zbo as a panic move and then moving him a year later was a great move! I didn’t realize bringing in Rasual Butler who couldnt put a nerf ball through a hoop was a great move. I didn’t realize getting Ricky Davis (who is pretty much useless), and lets not forget signing Baron Davis who lets face it hasnt been earning his contract.
So don’t tell me hes a great GM. Great GM’s know how to put talent that can mesh on the floor….Dunleavy is neither a great GM nor a great coach…just terribly mediocre at both
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SamMays Reply:
December 12th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Medicrity is giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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Posted on December 10th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
you damn bastards are getting off track. this is an amazing statistic. If it were on a test, it’d be “which one of these groups does not belong with the others?”
Just crazy. And this is up to date, through last night. What a stat. Nice post KA, some positive energy to tide us over during this long dry spell before the next game.
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SamMays Reply:
December 12th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Yeah, let’s order our playoff tickets.
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Posted on December 10th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
I don’t care how good our opening unit is if we cant beat quality teams.
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orville85 Reply:
December 12th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Quality teams like the Indiana Pacers woo hoo. To be kind, at least the Clips only lost one of two games.
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Posted on December 10th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
I like this find, but it doesn’t translate to wins. The deploy or lack of, destroys this team
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Posted on December 10th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
That’s great and everything but shouldn’t the Clips record reflect this in some way?
I know this sure does…
21 games into the season:
*The Clips +/- in 4th quarter is: -23
*This includes the comeback win over Memphis on when the Clips outscored the Grizzlies by 26 pts in the 4th quarter. If you throw that game out after 20 games the Clips are -49 in the 4th quarter on the season
The Clips have been outscored in the 4th quarter: 12X (57%)
The 4th quarter has been the Clips lowest scoring quarter: 10X (48%)
The Clips have failed to score at least 20 pts in the 4th: 10X (48%)
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Posted on December 11th, 2009 at 12:48 am
personally i dont think we are ever going to be able to be as good as we can be going to chris kaman down low so many times….i noticed when Eric Gordon gets alot of shots thus getting alot of points it usually leads us to a victory….as opposed to Kaman who may get 20something points but more often than not in a loss……..
i dont understand how they Clippers dont see this ….
and damn
do we ever play again this season?
its been forever since we damn played again i thought today friday we had something
but no
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Posted on December 11th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Descipline doesn’t win any games. Dunleavy expect all his players to bottle up their natural
talents & instinct and follow his commands win or lose. It’s high time Baron, Gordon and Thornton team-up and take matters into their own hands. Sometimes you have to run & gun to distract opposing teams.
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pipedreams Reply:
December 12th, 2009 at 10:41 am
rmb, I’m kinda blown away. On what basis could anybody say “Discipline doesn’t win any games.” Are you honestly saying that the Lakers have no discipline? Do you have any understanding of how the triangle works?
Or was this a joke I didn’t get?
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Posted on December 11th, 2009 at 9:26 am
The reason that (freaking awesome) stat hasn’t translated into wins is because a key cog of that group was out of it for 8 games.
Hint: He is our best player.
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Posted on December 11th, 2009 at 9:48 am
There were a few people hating on Dunleavy on the post game show I saw. The yellow sign they were passing around was great. I couldn’t make it that night, but some you tube clips are up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PKd7zKxPRI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxzmFpgCrAw
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Posted on December 11th, 2009 at 10:33 am
was this suppose to to make us hate dunleavy
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FireDunleavy .com Reply:
December 11th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
No, just make you laugh maybe. It was pretty funny when that little kid was holding up that sign.
That postgame show seems like the gathering place for Dunleavy haters.
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Posted on December 11th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Are you guys kidding. The Lakers are in town and you follow the CLIPPERS? Like 2 winning seasons in 25 years? Geez, is it masochism, lack of understanding, “I hate Kobe (cause he’s the best player and he absolutely wouldn’t put up with this $%#@!)”???
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Beard The Curse Reply:
December 11th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Why would you come to a website named ClipperBlog and post something as moronic as this? Shit for brains would be a compliment in describing you.
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SamMays Reply:
December 12th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Let us wallow in our misery without your input. That’s what we’re here for… Being a Clipper fan is cheaper than hiring a dominatrix to humiliate us… Except for the season ticket holders…
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Posted on December 11th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
And that’s exactly the reason why we DON”T like the Lakers. Outside of Red Sox fans, I can’t think of a more arrogant, obnoxious bunch.
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Posted on December 12th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Wait… so when the Clippers actually play their 5 best players at the same time good things happen? Al Thornton should be fired from the NBA. He’s just awful– he couldn’t get 10 rebounds if he was the ball boy in a three-point shooting contest. Actually, Dunleavy should be fired for insisting on starting Thornton and playing him almost 35 minutes/night.
The Clips have a very good team. They are just one of the few teams that have a coach sucking double-digit win totals from their potential
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Posted on December 12th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
I’ve said this before, and I’ll say this again. The Clippers are not a deep enough team. The starting talent is fine, but the five after that? Even with Griffin back (who is gonna be 12 and 8 at best for the rest of the year) those five would be one of the worst starting five in the league. Not. Enough. Talent.
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pipedreams Reply:
December 12th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
I’m getting the feeling there’s a joke here I’m not getting.
You’re seriously comparing our bench to the starters of other teams, and finding they come up short?
I mean, isn’t that kind of a definition of a bench player? ‘Not good enough to start’?
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SamMays Reply:
December 12th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
As I recall, after the Smith/Telfair deal, most of us were raving about the bench we were going to have. The problem with the bench is Dunleavy doesn’t play them, or when he does play them, he puts them all in together and expects them to produce in three minutes. If they don’t, they’re out and Baron plays 42 minutes… Has anyone noticed that Baron almost always sucks in the 4th quarter? He’s exhausted.
Dunleavy is so busy trying to keep the team in the game, he forgets you need fresh players in the 4th to win it.
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bongstradamus Reply:
December 12th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
The problem with the bench is:
They arent getting played!
Dunleavy either uses them for 4 minutes or 14, none of those guys gets 20 minutes of solid play time and the team falls apart from exhaustion in the 4th as a result. Not to mention, they are cold as hell when they do get in there because of the lack of consistent play time.
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Posted on December 12th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
this stat is worthless. we got no bench. no bench, no wins. it’s time to unleash the three point beast, steve novak. why this guy doesn’t play over butler, i have no idea.
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Posted on December 12th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
bunch of whiners on clipperblog. i feel bad for kevin and his insightful posts. no wonder why so many more people post on clipsnation
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rmb Reply:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
If you feel sorry for Kevin, then stop patronizing Clipnation and come over here.
We are not bad people and we don’t care.
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Posted on December 12th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
No offense Kevin, but are you out of your f===ing mind?! How long did it take you juggling worthless stats to come up with this particular winner? This is worse than worthless, it’s pathetic. You know what those other 4 teams you mentioned are talking about — playoffs! We’re talking about statistics! You think anyone on the Laker’s team or supporters are digging out these crazy stats to justify their existence? UH,,NO! I think we’ve all reached an all time low on this one. Man, this blog can really be depressing at times.
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Posted on December 12th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
are the Clippers still in the NBA?
did they drop them from the schedule?
fuck i need to watch a damn game already
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Posted on December 12th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Wow.. lots of anger in these posts. You guys didn’t get enough hugs growing up?…
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Posted on December 12th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Any statistic that has the Clippers #4 is obviously a useless statistic.
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Posted on December 12th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Yeah, way too much banging on the Clips here. Wait until BG gets back and into a groove. Look at how the Lakers played tonight against Utah with an injured Kobe. Without Kobe, Lakers are a 500 team. Griffin ain’t Kobe, but we got to give this guy time to get on the floor. He’s the best draft pick on paper since the players picked in 2003. So far, we are a near-500 team without BG.
Without BG, Clips are still good on paper as to their starting 5 and have had good individual performance from all these starting players at different times this year. They just need to stay healthy and play long enough together so that they can all play consistently well at the same time. I still like the make-up of this team now, I like our cap space for next year, and I like our TWolves pick coming up sometime within the next 2.5 years.
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Posted on December 12th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
You don’t list the Celtics are you insane!! The Celtic bench could beat the starting 5 of the Clippers!
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Posted on December 12th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
KA please don’t stop posting stats like these. While some people don’t understand their point or use, they offer a valuable opportunity to look at this team in a different light.
As for tonight, realgm says baron is doubtful with stomach issues. Barons Twitter makes it seem like he’s up and ready to go for this one.
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Posted on December 13th, 2009 at 8:27 am
There are Camby trade rumors. I don’t think the Clippers will unload him now though.
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Posted on December 13th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
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Posted on December 13th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Trade sorry ass Baron i dont shave,cant jump Davis and his sister ricky Davis for monta Ellis.
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Posted on December 14th, 2009 at 4:13 am
If u do trade M Camby trade him to a contender he deserves it. He’s a true proffesional and is a gentleman and he would put cleveland over the top. hint hint
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Posted on December 14th, 2009 at 4:15 am
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