Weekend Roundup: Trade Edition

13 Feb 2010

Roundup, Trade

by D.J. Foster

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Is the rumored Mavericks and Wizards trade the first domino? The trade as currently structured is a straight swap of Josh Howard for Caron Butler, reports Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo!Sports. Howard has a team option next year which will most certainly be terminated whether he gets traded or not. I may be looking way ahead here, but if Joe Johnson is unavailable this Summer do the Clippers take a look at Josh Howard?

Here’s a deal that nets the Clippers Andre Iguodala (Insider), and how it looks on paper. From Chad Ford: “Given that, adding Iguodala and Dalembert might be about as good as it gets for the Clips. Iguodala, in particular, would be a perfect fit as an athletic, multifaceted wing player who can handle the ball or thrive without it while defending at least two positions. Dalembert would be a nice one-year replacement for Camby as an athletic shot-blocker and rebounder to back up Chris Kaman.” The potential dealbreaker here? The inclusion of DeAndre Jordan.

Marcus Camby back to the Nuggets? Travis Heath from Hoopsworld.com helps debunk the rumor: “I don’t know where that came from, and it’s not happening,” said one very well placed Denver Nuggets’ source when asked about the proposition of re-acquiring Marcus Camby from the Los Angeles Clippers. I continued by explaining that logistically it would be difficult for Denver to complete such a deal financially without giving up a rotational player even if the team had aspirations of doing so to which the same source replied: “We’re not trading a rotational player. If someone wants to take on some of our (expiring contracts) than fine. But we’re not giving up a rotational player.”

Our friends at ClipsNation have a great trade poll up. There’s some fantastic proposed deals in the comments section, but the majority of voters prefer the Clippers do “little to nothing” at the trade deadline. Here’s a thought: How about flipping Marcus Camby for another expiring contract and a first round pick? Maybe something like Camby for Etan Thomas and his expiring contract and one of Oklahoma City’s two first round picks? The VP of Common Sense approves.

A statistical comparison of the three “big” pieces the Clippers could possibly acquire. None of these guys are perfect. Caron Butler has had a terrible season and is getting up there in years. Luol Deng is locked in on a long contract but is still the least likely of the three to get moved. Andre Iguoudala is the stopper at the 3 the Clippers have yearned for, but he comes with baggage in the form of Dalembert. Should the Clippers go after any of the following, or should they wait to see what shakes out this Summer?

TNT57

Would getting Igudala eliminate the possibility of signing Lebron or Dwayne? Would we be happy with BARON, GORDON, IGUDOLA. GRIFFIN AND KAMAN?
- MannyA
  
  Getting anybody that is not expiring will take us out of the Lebron sweepstakes. Regardless, we are NOT getting Lebron. Iggy would be perfect, plus Dalembert would be a nice expiring contract
  to trade next year for some more talent. Imagine our core + Iggy + Griffin + top coach? Damnnnnnnn, sick!!! Sterling said he had money to spend, hope he wasn’t lying!
  - bongstradamus
    
    LeBron wont sign here. So getting out of the sweepstakes isnt a huge loss.
James

I am not a fan of a bunch of what ifs, all signs point towards Wade re signing, If we go after LeBron, and he takes awhile to make his decision and then doesn;t pick the Clippers we may be left with nothing, I would say get iguodala but giving up DeAndre sucks. But we have to get something for Camby right now, if he likes the Clippers so much he can sign back here next year. If I was GM, I ship Camby to Thunder for Etan Thomas and a #1. Then go HARD after Joe Johnson next year. The trade in the trade machine for Iggy and Dalembert requires us to give up half the damn team, I don’t like that.
Juicebox

I like Iggy but I’d rather wait for the summer. Plus I agree with James, why trade half the damn team? Who knows, maybe we can land a big name this offseason.
By the way, is TO a free agent this year? The Clippers should look into that…
- SilverClip
  
  If you get him now, sure, you trade “half the team,” but most of them are expirings that we’d have to lose anyways in order to acquire a premier wing free agent in the offseason. If we go for Iggy now, at least we put these expirings to some use.
- TNT57
  
  Half the guys on this team stink. More than half. You’d protect Butler, R. DAVIS, BROWN, TELFAIR, The white kid who only shoots 3′s and COLLINS? That’s half the f’n team.
MannyA

Lebron, Wade, Joe Johnson and Bosh are not coming to the Clippers. They will get as much money as they can anywhere they go and it won’t be the Clippers. Nobody is gonna go to the Clippers because they wanna “win a championship”. We can trade for a first round pick, get Griffin back and go after that always elusive 8th seed. Or we can spend some money like Sterling said he wanted to do, get Iggy, Griffin and a good coach and be one of the top
teams in the league. We already have our own pick next year which will probably be lottery and we have Minnesotas unprotected pick in 2 years which is GOLD!
SilverClip

The question may turn out to be, “Should we sacrifice DJ for the sake of Iguodala?” If that’s what it came down to, what would you say?

DJ is like family, but is his potential so great as to derail our wingman ambitions?
- TNT57
  
  DJ it was nice to know ya!
  - http://HitFix.com Jgroove
    
    I’m not a fan of Iggy, but as nice a guy DeAndre is, he has shown almost zero growth in his offensive game. Dalemberts problem is he is a major head case who thinks he’s an all star. I would hold off, but I am not expecting any big moves this summer – sadly after this horrible collapse no one is going to want to play here. Still why not hold off for someone as skilled as Josh Childress? Assuming he comes back from Europe?
MannyA

I am kinda hoping we can give a 2011 first round pick instead. I know DJ was a second rounder but he has so much potential. If we get Iggy, I’m pretty sure next years first rounder won’t be Lottery, but that would be a best case scenario. If it comes down to it, who would I rather have, DJ or Iggy? That’s easy, Its not my money
- SilverClip
  
  I wonder if the rules will let you do that. DJ is in there to make the trade work money-wise, along with his talent. Does a draft pick accomplish the same thing?
  - MannyA
    
    They can just substitute Skinner or Novak and the pick. That works financially.
    - SilverClip
      
      Skinner and Novak both have trade restrictions. I forget the technical terms, but the crux is that both players would have to approve the trade, and then both would lose their Bird rights in the process. It’s very potentially a deal breaker.
      - MannyA
        
        I didn’t know that, thanks for the info. Clips gonna waive their Bird right after the season anyways. They don’t need bird right anyways cause I doubt they get more than the minimum anywhere they go. That’s if a team still signs them.
First2One00

Many of the free agents are a lot more likely to stay with their teams because a lot of these “big name” players are playing in the east coast. By this i mean that these players want to win and want to have a shot at reaching the finals and they are a lot more likely to get there by not having to worry about the Lakers. The eastern power houses are all beatable and the pathway towards reaching the finals is a lot easier. I honestly didn’t think the Magic would come out of the east last year and from i’ve seen i wouldn’t be surprised if the Hawks made it. So for any of these free agents to leave their respective teams to come to a western conference team is very unlikely. Lebron will sign with either 3 teams, CLE, NY, or Chicago. The clippers have the most talent but they are also very inconsistent in terms of management/coaching personel. I think if we want to make some noise for the next few seasons we’d be better off with trading for Iggy. Many of our expiring contracts aren’t really worth resigning at the end of the season with the exception of Craig Smith. DeAndre Jordan has tremendous upside to his game because he is a beast in terms of his physicality. But the only way he will reach his true potential is by having playing time and by being around coaches who serve as mentors and have patience with him. I haven’t seen him develop under Mike Dunleavy because we all know how that went. So it be nice to bring in a coach with a staff who can really focus on developing all the young talent that we have now and our future young talent (draft picks).
clippafan4life

I would really like to give DJ a shot at playing before we even talk about trading him. I’m not willing to part with a player with huge potential that can’t get consistent minutes because of our coaching debacle. Plus DJ and blake are buds and that means a happy blake will do better, we basically have our center and PF of the future that will work together nicely, if we give it time. Iggy is interesting but DJ should be on lock for the future, if there is another way i would entertain it tho.
neiljlax

I’d rather keep DJ for at least next year to see how he develops. The upside is huge.
Blake, DJ and Gordon should be the future.
- http://HitFix.com Jgroove
  
  How much more upside does DJ have? He has no semblance of a jumper even from 5 feet? He is not a good low post defender (you either are or you aren’t, please don’t say ge hasn’t had the time. What more will he develop into? We can’t wait forever…
  - neiljlax
    
    he’s really green and could eventually gel with the right guys / system and be at least average and some nights beastly.
    I’m not saying he’s gonna turn into an all star, but I think if he’s healthy and average and plays well with other key guys, he’s worth keeping
Insighter

These proposed trades are all terrible for the Clippers. The big one (Iguodala and Dalembert) kills the cap space in the future. It gives up over $19 million in one year contracts and takes on $24 million (12 for 2 years and 12 for 5 years). That’s insane.

One good trade would be trading with the Sixers for Iguodala and his enormous contract, and in turn giving them Baron Davis and his enormous contract. Both make a little over $12 million this season (so that balances), and both are long term, though Iguodala has one additional year more than Davis (so that baskically balances too). The Sixers need an experienced point guard.
- SilverClip
  
  Rebuttal:
  
  First of all, to be clear, Dalembert’s contract will expire after next season. He’ll be a good backup for the time being, then his expiring contract will be useful come the trade deadline next season.
  
  More importantly, something worth reiterating, cap space is lame and useless unless you go ahead and sign an excellent talent. So what’s the real difference here? Either you sign a premier wing to something similar to Iggy’s contract, or else you trade for one right now. There’s nothing remotely insane going on, either way.
  
  That said, your trade idea is interesting. I hear that Iggy can play some point forward, too. But I view point guards like queens in chess, unlike SF’s, who are more like bishops. Still, Iggy is younger, isn’t he…
- MannyA
  
  Most of these stars are available bacause teams are trying to cut payroll. Nobody is gonna take on Baron, that defeats the whole purpose. We would have to trade someone like Gordon, and have that team take Barons contract off our hands. Plus Dalemberts contract is a nice expiring for next year.
  - SilverClip
    
    Right, of course, Philly wouldn’t want Baron. I spoke too quickly on that one.
    - SamMays
      
      But Baron, Camby and Thornton for Iggy and Dalembert might be workable for Philly…
      
      They move 25-million and add Baron and Thornton at 15-million… They save ten million next year and on the last year of Iggy’s contract, Baron is already gone, saving them another 17-million for the last year of Iggy’s deal… 27-million in savings over four years.
      
      Not bad, though they might do better… It will guarantee they’ll suck for the next three years, but that will happen anyway.
http://www.johnpezzetti.com pez

That Iguodala contract is scary…and the guy isn’t a good outside shooter. like him a lot as a player, especially as a fantasy player, but if he doesn’t stretch that defense blake and kaman won’t have any space to operate.

We used to talk a lot about Joe Johnson on this site…is he considered less plausible now that Atlanta is doing better? The guy is still a perfect 3 to balance with the rest of our team…a more complete offensive player than iguodala.
- http://www.twitter.com/HitFixGregory jgroove
  
  After this collapse no free agent is coming here. Johnson is staying in ATL or going to Chicago or a possibly desperate and over-paying New York.
MannyA

We need a forward, that can handle the ball like a pg, good 3 pt shooter to spread the offense, can create his own shot so we can have a go to scorer, play defense to stop the other teams stars. But we don’t wanna give up our cap space. There you go GM Dunleavy, we practically did your job for you, Now go get this player.
Petey Pablo

AI has very good size , he can get to the rim , is an athletic freak, streaky shooter and alot of energy.. I see him like a more polished and stronger Al Thornton.

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