Baron Davis is so Cavalier

23 Feb 2011

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Marc J. Spears reports that Baron Davis (and the Clippers unprotected 2011 first rounder) is headed to Cleveland for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon.

More thoughts to come.

Galo

This is absolutely horrible. What is Olshey thinking here? This trade is absolutely pointless unless there’s another part or trade to be announced. Baron AND this year’s 1st for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon? Just wow.
- JaySee
  
  Agreed! This just looks like a salary dump. Moon is an expiring contract and Williams has 1 less year than Davis. There better be some deal packaging Williams and Gomes for another starting PG or SF. If not, let’s hope Williams magically gets court vision and learns how to pass and distribute.
  - Go clippas
    
    What are you talking about are you blind davis is horrible since he has been in a
    clipper’s uniform.Does not work out in the off season,sets bad example ,comes fat
    to training camp,get rid of the guy he is a bad influence on are young guys
    He makes too many excuses just look in the mirror and say it’s me “I suck”.
    - TNT57
      
      I agree. How many 2 for 11 or 1 for 10 nights do you need to see this guy is done? MO WILLIAMS didn’t look so bad beating on the Clips a few weeks ago either. Now lets get rid of KAMAN and about 7 other stiffs and start over. At least BARON won’t be around to taint the mind of BLAKE anymore. Good trade.
      - TNT57
        
        BTW, the draft pick might mean nothing since this upcoming draft is so weak.
- The Clipboard
  
  This deal is all about getting rid of Baron’s contract — a miracle job by Olshey to get his contract off the books. Kudos Neil. Clipper fans, no worries, Baron Davis recent good play is fool’s gold. If Mo’ Williams can return to form, he’s an upgrade over Baron Davis and shoots a whole lot better too. I can understand some being upset over the #1 pick, but you have to understand that there was no way CLE would do the deal without a sweetener. Considering how weak the 2011 draft is, combined with the fact that the Clips have two #1 picks (MIN unprotected from Jaric deal) in 2012, it’s a concession that was necessary to save a ton of money. The 2011 Draft is looking weak and this shows how much the Clips would rather save money. And, to make this deal even better, the Clips have the option of letting Mo’ Williams walk after this season. So if Mo’ doesn’t pan out, or his injury looks like it could linger, the Clips could decline his option and save even more money. Clips cap room space just got even better. Moon is a throw in, although he’s not a bad player, there just may not be playing time for him. He could be waived.
  - sc8581
    
    Mo Williams has player options each of the next 2 seasons, so the Clips don’t have the option of letting him walk.
cody

like the trade mo is going to be more consistent he is younger cheaper and believe he will give team a boost Its too late for this year but with more cap room for free agents and a healthy team next year we will be in the hunt
JaySee

WOW! Dump Davis can finally go away! WOOHOO! Mo Williams is OBVIOUSLY not the answer for us at PG and Moon is a good vet at the SF spot that can defend and shoot 3 and a little more mobile than Gomes, but is NOT the answer for us as a STARTING SF. How is this deal good for the Clippers?
- AH
  
  LOL. I’m not happy to see Baron go but one of the first things I thought was that this blog would be much more palatable since Dump Davis won’t have an excuse to post.
- b
  
  This trade was a salary dump. The benefit is to free up cap space and lure better players to come to town and team with Griffin.
  - Trade Machine
    
    except it barely dumps any salary. 3MM per year for the same amount of years is hardly a dump.
LawlerLawyer

I am stunned by this trade. Why are we giving up the first rounder?

This is Sterling’s biggest (and final) swipe at Baron. I’m sure Sterling’s thought process was: “I hate you Baron and, as punishment, you get to play in… CLEVELAND! Have fun in the cold”.

This is moronic. Losing our lottery pick for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon??? We could have unloaded Baron’s contract next year and probably under more favorable CBA arrangements. Doing it in this trade is just bad math and bad basketball. Even if Baron is lazy and in perpetual bad shape, Mo Williams is not a huge upgrade. I hope this doesn’t stunt Blake’s growth.

We need a new coach, a new GM, and, as always – A NEW OWNER.

David Stern needs to take this 30 year disaster over.
- LawlerLawyer
  
  *unload in a better trade under new CBA rules.
- RimReaper
  
  Wait! We gave away our Minny pick in this travesty of a trade?
  - LawlerLawyer
    
    No (fortunately). We gave our own unprotected pick for this year.
    - RimReaper
      
      Whew!
- RimReaper
  
  The more I read about this trade the more I see that it was motivated by short sighted greed and spite. Sterling must think he’s had the last laugh banishing BD to NBA hell to play for a coach with whom he has had a “tumultuous history.”
DumpStern

WHy would u dump my arguably favorite clipper for the injured mo williams Wow this teams just gets worser and worser! Goodbye clippers im a Laker fan now
- Fear the beard
  
  Stupid ban wagoner… What you going go for Anaheim kings next.. Davis is reason for not making the playoffs… Came in fat, so we started 1-13.. Thank god his out of here.. He’ll probably retire..
  - b
    
    Tell ‘em! Some peeps are just morons in the NBA world. Don’t look at the hard facts, just names on the list.
- Fear the beard
  
  Stupid ban wagoner… What you going go for Anaheim kings next.. Davis is reason for not making the playoffs… Came in fat, so we started 1-13.. Thank god his out of here.. He’ll probably retire..
http://cavalierthoughts.wordpress.com Rich

Guys, you’re missing the big picture here. Trade isn’t for this year. Look at the Clippers expected salary in 2012. They have a legit shot to make a run at Paul, Williams, or Howard. They are basically doing what the Bulls did the last couple of years. Give away picks for other teams to take players off of their hands and set up for a specific off-season.
- Nick_C
  
  I completely agree with you. This is a great trade for the future. Come on everyone be honest, what about Baron Davis was worth giving up a shot at an elite PG in 2012? Baron was playing the best he’s played in 2 years, and he’s old, and really looking slow. This was a great job of trading him when his value is higher than it will ever be again. And, hey, Mo Williams isn’t exactly bad, don’t forget he was an All-Star a few years ago, albeit in the east. Plus, he can shoot, something Baron Davis only liked to do.
- neiljlax
  
  Yes. No disrespect to BD but this makes a CP3 pickup down the road a real possibility.
  Blake, CP3, DJ, Gordon. Make it happen.
  - http://hitfix.com/awardscampaign jgroove
    
    There is no way CP3 or DWill are coming here. I would have preferred to trade Davis for a legit 3. Mo Williams is NOT an upgrade. He is a shoot first point guard – he is NOT a creator. Who is going to get the ball easily to Blake now? I don’t understand it. Bledsoe is good, but he’s too young to help make the playoffs in 2012.
    
    I don’t mind giving away the pick — this draft sucks — but this reeks of the same mistakes they made giving away Camby…for what essentially was Foye, Gomes and LeBron to laugh at our franchise.
    
    This was a mistake.
    - b
      
      Better chance with Dwight Howard coming to LA than Chris Paul or Deron Williams. I have a feeling Deron will sign an extension with the Nets after they show they can rebuild a good franchise for the move to Brooklyn. And of course, Chris has his eyes set in New York after Carmelo was traded there. If there is cap with the new collective bargaining agreement, the Knicks will find a way to make it happen.
    - Griffin
      
      Actually no it wasnt it gives clips cap space to get deron willaims and willaims said in his wn words he wants to play with blakr not omly that but usr kaman as a draft space and try to make a deal with the hornets or magic that way we might get howard and one of best pg in the league. Everyone wants to play with blake i know I woulde
    - Griffin
      
      Actually no it wasnt it gives clips cap space to get deron willaims and willaims said in his wn words he wants to play with blakr not omly that but usr kaman as a draft space and try to make a deal with the hornets or magic that way we might get howard and one of best pg in the league. Everyone wants to play with blake i know I woulde
    - neiljlax
      
      The way I see it, it’s closer to there’s no way either CP3 or DW won’t come here. We can offer the most money, LA enviroment and playing with Blake, EJ and DJ. Knicks can’t sign them both.
    - WoodenTeeth
      
      Mo is absolutely an upgrade of Davis. Davis has the worst attitude and gives up whenever the going gets too tough. Mo averages just as many assists as Davis did in his best weeks with Griffin, so I can’t wait to see what Mo can do when he has a player like Griffin to pass to. Mo was awesome with Lebron and he will be with Griffin too. He can shoot better than Davis so it will spread the floor and get Griffin even more easy shots in the paint. Clippers fans should be happy to have a younger, more loyal, and much tougher point guard to pair with Griffin. I say its an obvious upgrade.
- BenFranklin
  
  No way CP3 or DW is coming here. This is typical Clippers smoke and mirrors. We have been “saving cap space” for 30 years. If you really think Sterling has some how turned a new leaf, and is really dedicated to the idea of building a successful LA Clippers team….prepare to be disappointed.
  
  Clippers are and have always been a joke in the FA league. Nobody wants to come to the worst sports franchise in sports. We will never have a good team till Sterling sells or dies. Sorry it sucks.
clipperbull

I’m very upset. Loosing BD is a big blow.
- Herr Doktor
  
  As a big Davis fan, are you still going to have the same amount of passion for the team?
Timmythetooth

I don’t like this trade at all. I don’t like giving away a pick. Even if this draft sucks. I guess it will give us more cap space for next year if the new CBA doesnt screw that up. Mo is much more if a scorer but we need a distributer more. I guess it’s true that no contract is untradable. And with that, Dump Davis take it away.
- TNT57
  
  You make no sense. I don’t like giving away a pick even if this draft sucks. That’s like saying I didn’t want to break up with my girlfriend even though she’s ugly and bad in bed. WHY NOT? Baron couldn’t get this team a sniff at the playoffs after SAM I AM took us almost to the Conf. finals. This is the logical first step to rebuild around BLAKE and ERIC.
  
  On another side note. Donald Sterling should be banned for life just for placing the ad in the paper the other day announcing the celebration of BLACK HISTORY MONTH with a huge picture of HIS OWN FACE! His saggy old WHITE FACE! What a dick head.
DumpStern

Seriously the chemistry of the team was built with davis and with gordon and blake the future looked bright………….. But they traded the 2011 draft pick wtf is wrong with stern they couldnt just get gallinari. I HATE STERN
- RimReaper
  
  This is a huge disappointment for me. Yesterday I was high on the possibility of Gallinari joining the team. Now I have to face the reality that we gave away one of our best players for injury ridden Mo Williams and a no name scrub like Jamario Moon. I thought trades were suppose to improve a team…
  - b
    
    Look at the bigger picture. What are you going to do with Baron Davis for 2 more years? He’s not getting in any better shape. Clips hold the option for Mo Williams’ contract after this season. They instantly make cap space to attract some talent to LAC. Sure, they gave up one 1st rounder but it’s a weak 2011 draft class and with two 1st rounders, they would have had to pay those contracts whether or not those picks are any good. Minnesota could land a top 5 pick this summer and LAC could use that for a young PG – who knows maybe Minnesota will want it back for Ricky Rubio…?
    - JaySee
      
      Actually Mo has player options for the next 2 seasons.
- TNT57
  
  Have you looked at the recent road record? This is not my idea of a ‘bright future’.
Chandler

WHY!? WHY!? WHY!?

WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHY!???

moon and gomes? why!?
mo williams!?

by noon tomorrow i hope my question(s) are answered… T_T
- Sreppilcal
  
  It’s ok man. BD was not the future. Bottom line we can get a new pg. Hi drew!
  - Griffin
    
    Who is drew?
  - Chandler
    
    LOL, that’s me
DumpStern

I feel bad for davis big time i think he should just retire……
RimReaper

I am absolutely appalled at this trade. It was as stupid as it was unnecessary. What we need is a sharpshooting small forward to open up the floor, not another point guard. If I were Blake, I’d be extremely pissed. He had developed a chemistry with Baron that isn’t easily or readily duplicated.
- JaySee
  
  Blake’s not mad. He’s probably glad. Davis was an out of shape loser. Williams can’t pass as well, but he can shoot the 3, and his assist numbers look decent this year. Maybe he’s gotten some good experience this season without LeBron. Anyways, this was mostly a salary dump for 2012 trade deadline or 2012 off season to get CP3/D.Will. Moon is an expiring contract and will be less of a headache for the rest of this season than Gomes.
  - Chandler
    
    i think we have looked ahead enough.
    Let’s build from the inside out. Either that or make some good trades…
    
    nobody’s gonna sign with the clips like this. We just keep shedding salary for tomorrow, but when tomorrow comes there is nothing to use the cash on except to sign temporary people…
    
    to only end up shedding their salary to look towards the future…
    
    Gah…
    - JaySee
      
      Well, this season is already lost and they have to look to the next. This trade sets them up for a better trade for a star next season or a signing after next season.
      - http://hitfix.com/awardscampaign jgroove
        
        No one wants to wait ANOTHER season. Are they crazy?
      - JaySee
        
        Well, you HAVE TO! This season’s done. With Mo they can play 500 ball and make a trade next all-star break for D12, CP3, D.Will.
    - b
      
      Donnie Walsh did it for the New York Knicks. Anything is possible.
      The Lakers are eventually going to go through a decline. This time without a Kobe Bryant to rebuild around. The rest of the team is old except Bynum. Perhaps the Clippers, with their prize Griffin, can lure some talent to LAC. Who wouldn’t want to come to live in LA and throw lobs at Griffin all day. ALL DAY.
    - TNT57
      
      At least we did SOMETHING. Can you imagine ‘standing pat’ with this roster?
      - RimReaper
        
        Doing SOMETHING is not the same as doing something good for the team. We need a sharpshooting small forward to open up the floor, not another point guard. I don’t want to hear this crap about “freeing up the cap”. It smacks of propaganda. The is the perennial excuse for the Sterling’s cheapness and is belied by the fact that even with Baron on the rolls the Clippers have one of the lowest payrolls in the NBA.
cody

wow im the only one that likes the trade we arent winning right now did we forget barons first 30 games this year and his past two years here and his ridiculous contract do we really need another rookie we play three this year plus play two 3rd year guys we need experience on this team and now we have got the cap room to get whoever we want now
- Go clippas
  
  I agree no more young players we have enough tired of watching a turnover
  fest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  - RimReaper
    
    Better hope Mo Williams doesn’t go down with another injury because Bledsoe nowhere near becoming a competent point guard. He is a turnover machine with almost no basketball intelligence who tries to get by on the sheer force of his lightning quickness and leaping abilities.
Steven

While I think the trade is questionable in terms of whether or not Baron was improving, the truth is thats its a good move. The Clippers are out of playoff contention. Next year they will be in the hunt with Mo Williams or Baron Davis. Its a good opportunity to get Bledsoe more playing time and it obviously was a move made in order to free up space for the big 3 in a couple years. I feel horrible for BD but to be fair, its his own fault he plays down when the team is down, if he would have come with the intensity every game, the Clippers would be more reluctant to trade a potential top 5 point guard (yes he is that good when he tries).
Truth is that people do not understand that the Clippers are actually going to have some real chance of signing some good players when the time comes because they, the clippers, have such a bright future with Griffin, Bledsoe, aminu, kaman, gordon and jordan. Its a legit team in a few years time. Also, I think all of the Clippers fans do not realize how much of a big deal it is to play in Los Angeles. Clipper or Laker, you are in one of the biggest markets in the world, now if the CBA comes out and limits players salaries players will be even more inclined to be in big markets to get endorsements. I like the move for the team, they will be a step less exciting but will be one step closer to being a permanent contender.
LawlerLawyer

Ok, since we have all had our initial vent, let’s break it down:

1. This year’s draft class is going to be awful. There are no big time SFs to be found in this class. Trading what would likely be a 7th or 8th pick is not the end of the world.
2. We get rid of Moon this offseason. We will be able to get rid of Mo very soon.
3. We will now have some of the most cap room of any team in the league. We also have Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon. I know lots of top flight PGs that would die to be on this team. You get to play in LA! What’s better than that?

This is the only way to look at this trade without having a aneurysm.
- AH
  
  +1
  
  I’m not happy to see Baron go but I think this is the best way to build around Griffin/Gordon in the future. Lawyer’s right on point 1: according to analysts no GMs are enthusiastic about this years draft. Maybe we get a decent player at 8 but it would be a project with upside. We already have 3 rookies and 2 3rd year players (all 22 or under).
  
  If we’re building for Baron, then we get a better SF and hope everyone is healthy next year for a run without any proof this group can make that run. (What CLE did with Lebron: surround Lebron with vets that made the team better for the short term and not develop young talent)
  
  If we build for Blake, then we increase cap flexibility and let the young pieces develop with Blake. (What OKC did with Durant: let Durant grow with a young nucleus).
  
  I don’t want to see Baron go because anyone that watches the games see that the Clippers are better with him on the court but Bledsoe and Aminu have regressed and the Clips need them to develop if they want to contend for long stretches and to keep Blake/Gordon.
  
  Baron leaving isn’t the first signs of trouble. If DeAndre Jordon (because of his upside and relationship to Blake) is allowed to leave this summer then ClipperNation should be seriously worried.
- TNT57
  
  Who are these point guards that ‘you know’ are DYING to play for the Clippers? Admit it, you don’t ‘know’ anybody and there is NOBODY ‘dying’ to play with the Clippers…not now…not ever.
NRM

this is stupid as hell. Bledsoe cannot run the point consistently yet (Foye maybe), mo williams cant pass like Baron did….

Lets be real, we got lucky (at the time) when baron as the FA signed with us. Seeing how stupid our management is, thatll scare off D WIlls and CP3 for sure. Maybe we can trick Washington for Jon Wall.
DumpStern

True we get cap space but we lose that chemistry that we built and honestly i dont think del negro has been an improvement he has the same plays ( pick and roll) over and over he hasn’t been creative at all, and w/o gordan we just pass first to blake no coaching skill there……………………………………….I just imagined this team with gallinari and kaman off the bench that would have been dynamic sigh…………
- RimReaper
  
  I feel your pain.
- dawool
  
  gallinari would have easily started lol
First2One00

At first glance i disliked this trade but now i’m starting to love it.. We obviously weren’t making the playoffs this year… Our pick would have been projected somewhere around the 8th pick in 2011′s WEAK draft and we will shed some money off our payroll. There is another free agent class coming up in 2012 and now that people have had the chance to get a glance at Blake Griffin and This years 9th top scorer in the league in Eric Gordon, I think there is a more likelier chance that we can land one of the top free agents that will be available. I think there is a legitimate chance of acquiring Deron Williams, he stated before the all star game that he was very excited about being able to have the chance to play with Blake Griffin.. So D-Will coming to LAC doesn’t seem as improbable as Lebron coming to LA did…
- http://hitfix.com/awardscampaign jgroove
  
  Yes, it is. D-Will is not coming to the Clips. CP3 is not coming to the Clips. Dwight Howard is NOT coming to the Clips. Anyone who believes this is delusional. I’m hating this trade more by the minute….
  - RimReaper
    
    Agreed.
  - JaySee
    
    D.Will is the most likely to come to the Clippers. He’s on the NETS. THE NETS! The Nets have D.Will, B.Lopez and then NOBODY. Unless the Nets magically sign someone in the coming off season (not much out there) D.Will’s future will look 100x better in LA with a playoff contender. D12 is already on a playoff team. CP3 is already on a playoff team or the Knicks.
    - dawool
      
      dwill stated the clippers are in the top 3 of his preferred destinations
    - http://hitfix.com/awardscampaign jgroove
      
      Dude, DWill is gonna be playing in a stunning new sold out arena in Brooklyn. He ain’t going anywhere. Brooklyn is NOT NJ.
      - JaySee
        
        We play in Staples Center and have a shiny new training facility. WHOOP-DEE-DOO! Who cares about a sold out fancy new arena? Not D.Will. Brooklyn Nets, New Jersey Nets, it doesn’t matter. It’s THE NETS.
RimReaper

Dump on Davis is probably savoring this moment of triumph before he weighs in with what will undoubtedly be a tour de force of measured thought and analysis. I wonder what he will change his name to now? Mo Better Blues?
- JaySee
  
  He’ll just change his name to DumpMo.
Fear the beard

I guess nobody saw the clipper vs cavalier when mo williams was running circles around baron.. Stupid baron davis fans..
http://www.ZonaDeals.com Enfuego

Someone tell me this wouldn’t work out for both teams… (remember what Utah just got)

Mo Williams, Chris Kaman, Al-Farouq Aminu, Deandre Jordan, Minnesota’s 2011 First Round Pick and our 2013 first round pick

for

Chris Paul, Emeka Okafor

Also we take/add whatever else needs to be done outside of EG and BG.

This sheds a ton of money owed by NO with Okafor making over 14 million in the next few years and Chris Paul will be leaving anyways. Also They get Minnesota’s 1st round pick which looks great from 2011 because even the Nets and Knicks will finish ahead of them in the standings + Cheap and young players in Aminu and Jordan along with a good center at less years and a cheaper price in Kaman.

Is this as possible as I think it is or am I insane?
- Fear the beard
  
  Sounds really good…
- JaySee
  
  Works money-wise, but terrible trade. No guarantee CP3 will stay. He’s already said he wants to go to NYK. This totally depletes our frontcourt. Okafor is slow and injury prone. It also doesn’t help the gaping hole at SF. Maybe take out Jordan and Aminu throw in Cook and Butler and all our picks.
- Hornetfan
  
  Insane- Hornets are not trading Paul. They are actually taking on salary to build a contender (see recent acquisitions of Jack, Landry, and perhaps one more guy today).
  
  I’ll admit you will have a shot at Paul in FA in 2012 if the Hornets don’t become a contender on the court, but he will not be traded, and in all likelihood the new CBA will have some kinda franchise tag.
  
  And to Jay See, prior to 3 weeks ago, Okafor had played in 400 straight games. Injury prone?
  - JaySee
    
    3 seasons injury free, 3 seasons injured, 4 if you count this current one. 4/7 seasons injured. That’s somewhat injury prone, but he has played 85% of his games, so I’ll give you that. We don’t want Okafor anyway. We want aTyson Chandler/Joakim Noah type of center. Jordan is on his way to that.
  - http://hitfix.com/awardscampaign jgroove
    
    Hornets can’t trade Paul. The league is trying to build value in the team to sell it. There is no way he’s ever traded until the team is sold.
briguyx

Is everyone forgetting about Baron’s knee problems? He’d probably have been out a few weeks anyway, and next season he’d be another year (plus possible lockout time) older.. And yes, I believe now that people have seen the Gordon and Griffin combo, there’s a chance we could get a good free agent. Maybe not one of the top guys, but certainly another good piece of the puzzle, especially with the east loading up with superstars. It’s looking like the Western Conference could become the easier conference to play in!
http://www.ZonaDeals.com Enfuego

Starting lineup would be

Chris Paul
Eric Gordon
Ryan Gomes
Blake Griffin
Emeka Okafor

Bench

Randy Foye
Eric Bledsoe
Rasual Butler
Brian Cook
Craig Smith
Willie Warren

We would obviously struggle on the bench but with this team we could obviously sign a few guys in the FA class to come play with us. Also maybe we get Ariza in the deal for an extra future 1st rounder + to save them more money? I’m not really sure.
- TNT57
  
  We have a starting 5 to compete but our bench is where we lose games. As soon as Blake checks out we dive.
Patrick

Worth noting: Mo (the shoot first point guard) averages more assists than Baron, and he has basically no one to knock down shots in Cleveland.
- Patrick
  
  *ever so slightly more, that is
  - dawool
    
    u realize mo has the ball in his hands 24/7, being one of 2 capable players on the whole team ?
    in minutes per game baron davis is bounds higher than mo
http://cavalierthoughts.wordpress.com Rich

As a Cleveland fan, I can say Williams actually played pretty decent offense this year. The guy can’t defend a brick, but he can shoot. He had a stretch earlier in the season of 5 straight double-doubles. His injuries are….well, I think they are more in the realm of not getting along to well with Byronn Scott. I’m not sure on that. But it just seems that way.
RimReaper

From espn.com:

“The Clippers and Cavs have agreed to the trade in principle, but it is not supposed to be finalized until Thursday. All of the beat writers on the story are claiming the trade is virtually a lock to get done. The deal also includes Jamario Moon going to the Clippers and the Clippers’ 2011 first-round draft pick (unprotected) going with Davis to the Cavs.”

Looks like this deal isn’t quite as done as we were lead to believe. A lot can change in a few hours…..
- AH
  
  The thing that worries me is that several reports say there are still moving parts to the trade. I don’t like the ambiguous “moving parts”…
  - RimReaper
    
    Great. More chances to further screw things up.
    - Hornetfan
      
      Not a fan of either team, but I am SHOCKED that Clippers fans dont love this trade. This is an absolute steal for you guys and sets you up to land a major player or 2 in 2012, combined with your pick and Minny’s pick that year.
      
      You could have Griffin, Aminu, and Gordon all on rookie deals PLUS Deron Williams, Greg Oden (or some other center) and two solid rookies.
      
      Did you guys really think you were winning anything this year or next year? Did you really think Baron would ever give you 82 quality games?
      
      I just don’t get it- best deal you guys have made in years for the long term health of your franchise and half of the fans are mad.
      - JaySee
        
        Clipper fans are loyal, sometimes to a fault. You can see that clearly by all these Davis and Kaman lovers.
      - ClipperChuck
        
        Even without the trade the Clips were looking at a lot of cap space in 2012. Foye, Kaman, Cook are off the books. Trading Baron for Mo saves the Clips about 5-6 million a year.
Steve

All you guys clamoring about cap space: remember this summer when we were one of what, 3 teams with cap space out the ASS to sign Lebron? We ended up with Foye, Gomes and Cook. Money does not = talent when it comes to our owner/ front office!!!
- BG 2012
  
  This was my exact reaction when I heard the “its clearing cap space for the big names” argument, but this is a different Clipper team that may just be able to snag one of these superstars for two reasons:
  
  1. Blake Griffin. If you paid attention at all this weekend, you understand.
  
  2. The new CBA is unquestionably going to address the superstar collaboration that we’ve seen in Boston, Miami, and most recently New York and will very likely leave the league with a hard cap. That puts us in a very good position to pick up a star FA because we now have significantly more cap space, a relatively cheap core who will all be resigning post-CBA, and most importantly we’re from LA which will be a huge intangible benefit. I can’t stress how much more money one of these superstars stands to make in a market like LA and frankly how much more they would enjoy the money they earn.
  
  Baron and Mo are of the species. Neither of them really draw your attention (maybe Baron did because his girth used to stretch the entirety of the key). I’m not pleased about losing the pick because I think you can mine for talent in any draft.
  
  Ultimately, we’re never going to be good if we have a coach like Vinny Del Negro. He literally doesn’t have an offensive scheme and I doubt we’ve run a defensive rotation drill all season. He has no authority with the players because he never earned by either solidarity or skill. Also, his answer to deep runs by our opponents is seldom the timeout. You would think he’s scared of catching a disease in the huddle or something. VDN somehow believes that the answer whenever our opponents go on their inevitable tear is (and other people may see different things) PUTTING IN AMINU! WTF VINNY?
  
  Oh and Donald Tokowitz of course.
rgc

I really don’t see why the beef many people have for this deal. Baron in the the time he has been here has managed all of about 2 quality months of basketball. I too, see what “could” be when everything is clicking. We had a great run earlier this season before Gordon went down, and much of it was spurred by Baron’s play. But the facts are, he is seldom consistently healthy, and is not getting any younger, and you never really know night to night what you may be getting. It’s just time to cut bait with him and his contract.

I really don’t see Mo Williams as a downgrade. He may not be much of an upgrade either, but he’s younger, and cheaper and sometimes scenery changes can do wonders. I also can care less about the pick being shipped. That pick does us no good. We don’t need to be paying another rookie project in hopes he pans out at some point and here is why:

I don’t think a lot of clippers fans understand the urgency and importance of the next few years. We have just a few more seasons to convince Gordon and Griffin to stay. Neither will do so, unless this team turns itself into a legit winner. Not a “young team with potential”, but a team that is winning night in and night out. We don’t have years to wait around in hopes baron becomes the player he once was again, or wait for the Bledsoe’s/Aminu’s to turn into legit 35 minute a night guys, nor another project rookie this year either (which is why i can care less about that pick being swapped ). They need to go out and acquire legit proven commodities. We are already young enough with Gordon, Griffin, Bledsoe, Aminu, Jordan etc..another inexperienced rookie does this team no good.

They need to take this extra cash and doing something with it…easier said than done though
neiljlax

I agree that people seem to be underestimating the draw of Blake and LA.
And that the Knicks may just get rolling with Chauncy and try to get a good multi year run with him at the point.
If this BD deal becomes official, I feel ike it’s 50% chance CP3 comes here and considering that this wasn’t even on the radar with BD here, I’m pumped at the possibility.
Again, no disrespect to BD who was late to the show this year (very lame considering the fat paycheck) but at least was ‘all in’ most nights once he woke up to Blake’s awesomeness.
As for VDN, I won’t judge him just yet. I’d like to see where he’s at 30 games into next year with a healthy lineup.
Donald

Greediest owner/dummest GM of all time. Every trade is negative for Clippers. Camby, Zach Randolph, now Davis. What did they get? Nothing. Sterling pockets the proceeds. Witha greedy owner, inept GM and dumb coach where are the going? They are going to lose Gordon and eventually Griffin. Watch and see
VH

You are all missing the point, this move sets us up perfectly for the 2014 free agent market. By that time Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon will both be gone and that will clear a TON of cap space so we can go after “Generic All-Star” who will not play for the clippers! What an exciting time to be a Clipper fan!
- RimReaper
  
  Please stop repeating the mindless mantra that we are “clearing a ton of cap space” to make some big move at a future date. It’s like a disease on Clipper consciousness. Can’t you see that it’s perennial excuse Sterling and Company make for their own greed and shortsightedness? This team already had one of the lowest payrolls in the league even with “Baron on the books.”
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Sreppilcal

Clip fans we will be ok. We have some good young talent, let’s enjoy it! Just seeing clips get some respect around the league and people even talking about them is good with me! Future? we have no say in the clips future, only thing we can do is stay loyal as clip fans. Clips4life
Suisai13

This is insane. Regardless of dumping contracts or the like, Baron Davis and the makeup of the Clippers team was in a very promising situation. Mo Williams is a fine player, but is not the distributor and leader the Clippers had in Davis. There are plenty of backcourt players on the team that are shooters, they don’t need Williams. As a Baron Davis fan, the saddest thing of all is he will probably be a hot mess having to play for the worst team in the NBA.
- RimReaper
  
  Sources say that Baron was “stunned” when he heard about the trade and that this move is a “worse case scenario” for him given that he is going to the worst team in the league to play for a coach with whom he has had a “tumultuous history.”
Robbie P.

I’d like to think that this deal is to set up for a potential offseason deal, but look at this from the standpoint of D-Williams, CP3, or Dwight. Why would they come to the Clippers when other teams are willing to offer them max salaries, and don’t involve having to deal with the worst owner in the league??

For these reasons, I think that the Clippers have to be planning and stacking for now. Otherwise, we’ll have another offseason hoping and planning our season around having a big star to lead the team, which never seems to pan out. This is why this deal doesn’t make much sense. Baron IS a bad actor, but as long as Blake’s around, he would’ve been playing at a very high level. Mo williams will be very good this year, but he will find a way to get out of his current contract. So essentially, this deal is just a salary dump.

I’m not saying that Baron was worth the 13.5 mil. that we were paying him, but with him on the court, the Clippers had a chance of being dynamic. Now we are just setting up for another Offfseason from hell.

I hope Neil and Donald can prove me wrong. But I doubt it.
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  Baron sucks.
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    Baron Lives!
- RimReaper
  
  +1.
TNT57

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