ClipperBlog Live 1-4-12 Clippers v. Rockets

05 Jan 2012

by Mark Shore

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Kevin Arnovitz, D.J. Foster, Breene Murphy and Mark Shore discuss Wednesday night’s win against the Rockets on ClipperBlog Live.

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http://barmapla.com FD

Kaman’s quote on the Hornets. Good job Olshey and Roser.

“They’re very professional,” Kaman said. “I’m not used to that. No, serious. It was an adjustment. After eight years [with the Clippers], I didn’t know it could be like this. I wasn’t used to it. The way they handle business … they’re up front with you and they tell you what’s going on and what’s going to happen.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Agf46VoqBA5DYgih_3whApu8vLYF?slug=mc-spears_eric_gordon_chris_kaman_clippers_nba_010412
- AH
  
  I’m not sure what Kaman was expecting. He repeatedly said he wants to be the starter and would be unhappy otherwise.
  
  Gordon, while I’m more ambivalent about trading, seems to have instructed his agent to demand a max deal. As I understand it, the Clippers and Gordon’s agent were negotiating on a contract extension throughout the process. If Gordon didn’t want to be traded his agent should have eased off the max contract demand (~5 yr/$78mi). Gordon is worth a massive contract, but if I’m a GM and I have to spend two max contracts, I’d rather it be CP3 and BG than EJ and BG.
  - http://www.barmapla.com FD
    
    I would have done the deal too, it’s just the way Olshey and Roser handled it. The team is gonna have a good run for a couple years, but I don’t have confidence in Olshey.
    - AH
      
      I’m not sure this is specific to Olshey/Roeser. I agree, I would have liked to have seen it handled differently but looking at the LAL/CP3 deal that was nixed, Kupchak also didn’t let Odom/Gasol know they were on the trading block or even let them know after they thought the trade was completed. I think Odom said he found out from ESPN. It seems like this was all just fallout from the NBA owning a team.
      - http://www.barmapla.com FD
        
        The Lakers with Jimmy Bus are not getting the best rep now either though.
http://Clipperblog.com Al

Sounds like sour grapes. He was paid a lot of money to miss 25 games a year and miss easy lay ups. Bye bye !
Pboy

I am a big Kaman fan, but c’mon once DJ received a $10/yr contract Kaman should of start packing his stuff for relocation. Nobody needs to tell you what is going on your the odd man out.
Tim Harrison

Chris Kaman was a hold over from the Elgin Baylor (born-loser) era! DeAndre’s game continues to blossum without the Cave-man still on the roster. I don’t miss Kaman and Gordon, or their antics, aka… Gordon down the lane, opps, dribbles the ball off his knee, out of bounds, or Kaman taking too many steps constantly. Getting rid of the 2 players who missed the most games over the last 2 or 3 years, is huge. Reduced turnovers in crunch time will only pay dividends going forward. Thoroughly removing all known commodities from the Baylor-Dunleavey era, with the exception of Griffin was mandatory. Unlike football (Philadelphia Eagles come to mind) in basketball, adding superstar free-agents and making mega-blockbuster deals is a good thing. Neil Olshay was the Man these last couple of seasons, and pushing all the chips in, and cashing out of Chris Paul, landing Caron, and Chauncey? Can you say, NBA Executive of the Year?
- http://www.barmapla.com FD
  
  You have to thank David Stern for most of that. The Chauncey signing was very good though. Well unless he starts chucking up 3s like Baron Davis.
  - Tim
    
    Its well documented what Stern and company wanted in exchange for CP3, and the Lakers didn’t have the pieces, to make the deal. The new owner of the Hornets (and I’m sure Stern knows who that is already), didn’t want a bunch of better than average, highly paid guys who aren’t going to win you anything. Why be average to good, and spend all your money. Why not stink up the joint, start with a clean slate, and build a winner, like the Clips! Chauncey is one of the all time greats from beyond the arc, wake up. You should never mention Baron Davis and Chauncey in the same breath. Davis’s greatest contribution, during the Dunk Contest, that perfect lob from inside the Hoopty for the Slam!
  - bongstradamus
    
    He is playing a lot of 2. Dont be mad when he is chucking 3′s. He will have plays called exactly so he can shoot 3′s.
    
    What’s his nickname? Mr. Big Shot.
    
    So yea, dont be dissapointed when it happens because it will be happening.
    - Tim
      
      Chauncey is known for bringing the ball up, in transition, or on the break, pulling up 5 feet before the line, and dropping the 3 at full speed, nothing but net. Baron? He had a nice run with GShoops, but that about it! Chauncey doesn’t chuck 3′s, the Man throws daggers! Please don’t mention B-Diddy, and Mr. Big Shot in the same breath. Chauncey realized, exercised and maximized all of his God Given Talent. Baron? Not so much so.
      - http://www.barmapla.com FD
        
        My only question is his age and if he’ll be effective.
        Baron got old at 26,27. He doesn’t work out in the offseason and has bad knees/back…
      - Tim
        
        Good question, but Chauncey passes the eye-ball test. The guy is a picture of good health, cut, 0% bodyfat. But go ahead, kick the tires, rev the engine, lets see what this baby can do!
Dan S.

Why does Brian Cook get any minutes? He blew two wide open layups, missed all but one of his threes, played horrific defense, and fouled at a very high rate. I really don’t know what he contributes. Let Trey play all of his minutes and speed up the rehab on Evans.
- griffin
  
  Cook won’t be playing for long but it is strange that he has more pt than trey. Even if cook subs in for dj I think trey would do better then cook and wouldn’t miss open layups. He has a soft touch and good hands. PLAY THE ROOK
  - Tim
    
    I’m not saying don’t play the Rook, mop up duty is fine for the rook on this team. The bench is set with Williams, Foye, Gomes, Evans and Jones, once they get up to speed. No room for rookies with this line up. Leslie, and Trey are nice 2nd rounders who latched on to a team going places. No need for Thompkins to get an inflated opinion of himself, then find himself 2 wks later with DNP’s coaches decision for the next 2 months, which is probably whats going to happen. Cook is better equipped to handle that. Thompkins has skills or he wouldn’t have made the team. Unfortunately, unless there are injuries, there’s just no room for his contributions this season. Don’t play the rook, mop up duty is fine though.
Isaac

who decided to start eating potato chips half way through the cast?
Tim

Cook has experience, and has made nice contributions for the most part since being on the roster. I don’t have a problem with bench players offering up fouls. If you can’t stop the guy, make him earn it at the line. Cook has his moments beyond the arc as well, so we need him to keep shooting, that’s his role. Trey? Nice player, but he’s a rookie. No need to overload Tompkins with too much responsibility. The Clips will be 11 deep when its all said and done. Evans and Jones will eventually gobble up Cooks minutes, and when that happens, Cook is still a good character guy, and he won’t be a cancer on the bench. Cook is what he is.
ClipsFan4Life

Ive always hated kaman! never liked him. Only think he was good for was a trade piece and im happy he got traded! DJ is getting better and better defensively every game! If he can add a lil jump hook or some lil flip around the hoop or something because not everything can be a dunk. Loved the energy the entire team had minus cookie… im sorry cookie i know your trying but your the weak link on this team.
Tim

I like how Chris Paul is starting to get on the guys when celebrating the Lob-Slams. Its like the endzone, act like you’ve been there. That’s leadership, but Jordan, and Blake should know better. Get some wins, shoot for a division banner, act like you expect to win every night, and then make a deep run in the playoffs, shock the world with a finals appearance, and lets bring back and honor some of the Buffalo Braves from way back, and let them bask in the glow of this years success. Randy Woods and, honor World B. Free on Laker night, and bring back Bob McAdoo even Terry Cummings, have a moment a silence for Malek Seeley. But stop celebrating 2pts, no matter how exciting the play is.
- Tim
  
  Correction, Randy Smith not Woods, have a moment of silence for Smith too. Randy Woods who could forget Elgin Baylors attempt at surprizing the world with this pick. Brillant.
  - griffin
    
    Blake doesn’t celebrate anymore he just gets mad and complain when they don’t call a foul. And he is slow coming back the other way. Dj does though we can celebrate those dunks if there is a foul in thr process or we are up by 15 or more
DeMote DeAndre

DeAndre the DeLusion.

I was asked who I’d trade Jordan for.

The best thing would be to trade him in March in a deal for Dwight Howard, but the Clippers have so little to offer now that it might be hard to make that deal. Howard may want to come to the Clippers now because of Paul, along with Griffin. He should, I mean, really, he’d be a fool not to want to come to the Clippers and play with those two.

Howard could simply come to the Clippers as a free agent in the summer, but surely Orlando will end up making some kind of trade for him. That’s the Clippers best hope. He might be able to force a trade to the Clippers by telling Orlando that’s the only place he’ll sign up with.

If Howard forces it that way, then the Clippers could get by with not having much to trade back to them. They’d have Jordan for sure as part of the deal, maybe Mo Williams, maybe Butler, maybe a future draft pick. It’s really a pretty lousy package, but if Howard forces things, it might be enough. Maybe a three team deal.

If the Clippers can’t trade Jordan for Howard, they still have to trade him, though it can’t be done until March. Maybe they can get a good #1 pick for him this summer.

Whatever way they do it, they have to get rid of him because he’s way overpaid, and that salary will be a big barrier in signing a good player in the future.

Jordan will not be a good player in the future. Last night is a good example. He played against Houston which was on the second night of a back to back and has no center. Jordan will never have a weaker opponent. than Houston’s “center” last night.

How did he do?
He scored two field goals (a wide open dunk and a put back) and he had 8 rebounds.

In comparison:
The night before against the same Houston “centers” (except then they were all well rested) Bynum scored 21 points and had 22 rebounds.

That comparison should give people a lot of insight into the truth of what DeAndre the DeLusion really is.
- Tim
  
  Bynum and Howard are 2 of the best centers in the game. Other than those 2, there are no other real elite Centers in the game. Oh bye the way, neither of those 2 won championships last year. The Mavs had a center with game more like DeAndre (Chandler). The Clippers are fine with DeAndre. He needs to improve at the foul line, develop a jump hook, position better for rebounds, and keep blocking shots and running the floor. DeAndre is fine, been in the Association, only a few, still developing, give him time. The Chief was never that great, but next to McHale, and Bird, he did ok. DeAndre will do ok. CP3 and Blake can do all the heavy lifting.
- bongstradamus
  
  Ive got the nickname, but you’re the one thats high.
  
  Will Bynum ever average more than 60 games a season? Probably not.
  
  If you were the GM of Orlando, would you trade Dwight Howard for DJ?
  
  Put the pipe down son.
  - griffin
    
    We actually have a better chance at howard in free agency. We have 3 mil left over from the hornets deal. Randy foye 4 mil. Cooks 2 mil. 2 mil from chauncey and we can get amnesty mo willaims. We can offer howard a max deal and get one of the sg free agents that will hit the market. We would be set. But then both the resign of blake and cp3 might be a littler problem. But somehow we might make it work if howard wants to win a championship.
    - AH
      
      I believe that $3mil left over from the NOH deal is a trade exemption that can’t be combined with other cap space. As best as I can tell, LAC is currently over the cap (barely).
      
      So, as currently constructed, Cook, Evans, Billups and Foye come off the books at the end of the season. Without resigning those players or any new players the LAC would have ~$50mil committed to Paul, Griffin, Jordan, Butler, Gomes, Williams, Bledsoe, Leslie and Thompkins (last two are not guaranteed).
      
      I think this year’s salary cap is ~$58mil so LAC would have ~$8mil available in cap space unless they amnesty Mo. Then it would be ~$16.5mil. It’s possible to get D12 with a starting salary of $16.5 but I think CP3, BG and D12 would have to all agree to take less than the max.
      
      And that means we have no SGs on the roster.
      - Tim
        
        Lets clear some things up here. BG and D-12 is not better than BG and DJ. D-12 will take shots away from BG the way Worthy lost shots because of the sky-hook. BG is a work-horse, the man doesn’t need to share touches with Howard. This is not Ralph Sampson and Hakeem, or Tim Duncan and David Robinson. BG and DJ is a marriage made in Heaven, and eventually will be too much for D-12 plus whoever. And all those missing Kaman? Remember, with Kaman there, it would have been 2pts and a foul on an amazing left handed lay-up, because Kaman would have reacted a second too slow. Instead, the result was “Get that outta here!” with Kobe slamming to the hard-wood, and a wrist thats still bothering him to this very day. Give #6 some time to redefine his game. Appears as though he has the pride to earn his paycheck.
- fs
  
  Dear Clipperboggers,
  
  Let’s just ignore this idiot. Don’t reply to his unprecedented and uninformed hating, and maybe he will change his name back to dump davis and go annoy Knick fans
  - Tim
    
    If you are referring to my posts, get real. I am a Clipper. As an elementary schooler, I had a light blue Buffalo Braves pencil, remember those? I rooted for Terry Cummings in San Diego, questioned the Joe Wolf pick, the Danny Ferry pick, and know Jerry West waaayy out started us, when we took Lorenzen Wright 6 picks ahead of Kobe. My favorite team is the Clippers and whoevers playing against the Lakers, so you will hear me hate on them all day long. So uninformed? not really, and unprecedented? thank you. Davis? At the end of the day, just didn’t get the job done. Was glad when they brought him here, was even more happy to see him go.
    - brad
      
      Not you tim your good….he’s talking about dd…what a gimmick
- Tim
  
  Say what you will about DeAndre but ask yourself. What was Kobe thinking going up soft to rim with the left hand, completely disrespecting DJ’s lowpost dominance! Kobe came soft in amoungst the trees, and came crashing down to the floor! “Get the Shhheeett!!! Outta there!, arguably the greatest block shot in Clipper history, you witnessed!” Don’t kid yourself, these ain’t your grandma’s Clippers, you better ax somebody!
Joeluis323

One thing Demote has gotten right is.. We need to pick up on rebounding. Can’t wait for Eveans to play! This team is awesome as it is! we dont need a howard to win it! look at OKC! we are the new OKC but with CP3! Cp3 is freaking awesome!!
Breene Murphy

A cookie jar full of sea-urchins? I think you’re crazy, D.J. Love it.
Tim

Stop with the lack of trust for Olshey. If Baron shows up in shape, Eric Gordon stayed healthy, had Gomes played defense and rebounded, Blake be Blake, and Kaman, not disappear the entire year, the Clippers would have been nice last year. Think of the bench we had, Bledsoe, Foye, Aminu, Craig Smith, Cook, and DeAndre? If healthy, thats a hell of a roster right there, but same old Clippers. Everybody hurt, except Blake, and DeAndre for the most part. Olshey had to do something big, stepped to the plate, and knocked it clear out of the stadium, into the parking lot. Olshey, something the Clippers have never had, a freakin’ GM!!!
Dan S.

Deandre seems like a great fit for this team already and he has improved tremendously each year. Hopefully that continues. He used to pick up 5 fouls in 5 minutes; this year I don’t think he has come close to fouling out yet and has blocked and altered a lot of shots. Scola did nothing when Deandre was on him.
Dan S.

He is also much better about not biting on fakes.
Tim

Imagine what Joe Dumars and Isiah would think trying to guard Chancey and C.Paul. This backcourt is sick, and don’t look now, but Mo Will is doing his best Vinnie the Microwave impersonation. When Evans and Jones get up to speed, this team is going to be sick.
http://Clipperblog.com Al

Who sits when Bledsoe comes back ? Logjam, but a nice problem to have !
Bootstrenf

it would be nice to have Shaun Livingston back, improved jumper, since he left, great perimeter defender and the size and quickness to guard the 2s and 3s of this league….a second unit of mo and Livy would be nice
Tim

Shaun Livingston was a nice gamble, had lots of potential, was working his way into being very respectable as a frontline starting point guard for the Clippers. Loads of potential but the injury. Lets not take the chances of reliving that again. Plus. We have Randy Foye. I like this roster right now. No more changes. Foye, Gomes, and Mo-Will is plenty of bench production, with Evans and Jones to man the painted area, sprinkle in a little Trey Thom or Cook from beyond the arc during foul trouble times, this roster is set. Bledsoe? We might need to move him for future draft considerations. Or, keep him, we may need him. Who knows who might get hurt in the future, and then we have a point guard ready to go who has considerable talent. Bledsoe can only get better soaking up knowledge from Billups and Paul, to go with what he might have learned from Baron, and John Wall. Remember, Bledsoe is still just a couple months out of highschool, probably not old enough to buy himself a drink. Plenty of time for that guy.

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