Warriors 104, Clippers 97: Postgame 3-on-3

20 Feb 2012

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The Clippers have now dropped consecutive games for the first time in 2012. We’ll try to figure out how.

1. Is it fair to say the Clippers played right into the hands of the Warriors, or were the Warriors just better?

Charlie Widdoes, ClipperBlog: The Warriors were just better. Mark Jackson’s team won matchups in the frontcourt (Ekpe Udoh went for 19 and 8 against DeAndre Jordan) and backcourt (Monta Ellis had 32 points on 20 shots), while forcing the Clippers into 17 turnovers on the night.

Nick Flynt, ClipperBlog: The Warriors were…sigh…better. The defense from the Clippers was embarrassing, the sets down the stretch are what we usually see. The Warriors just took better advantage of the Clippers’ mistakes than the Clippers did the Warriors’ mistakes.

Michael Shagrin, ClipperBlog: The Warriors were better, but mostly because they held themselves together better in the fourth quarter. The Clippers had the Golden State exactly where they wanted them heading into the fourth–within striking distance of Chris Paul. But it’s worth noting that after logging heavy minutes in the third quarter, Vinny del Negro only played Paul for the last six minutes of the fourth.

2. Which was worse: The interior defense, or the perimeter defense?

Charlie Widdoes, ClipperBlog: The interior defense. Monta Ellis will get buckets, and even do so with the efficiency he had tonight on occasion. I would have liked to see a more concentrated effort to stop him — like, you know, not consistently allowing bigs to switch onto him — but the biggest problem was Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan getting thoroughly outplayed by David Lee and Udoh.

Nick Flynt, ClipperBlog: Probably the perimeter defense. The interior D was bad, but I think it all began with the amount of focus that had to be payed to stopping Monta. But really, it was all bad.

Michael Shagrin, ClipperBlog: It has to be the interior defense. It’s not unreasonable to give up a big night to Monta Ellis and Steph Curry was held to just 11 points. On the other hand, letting David Lee score 24 and gifting a 19-point career night to Ekpe Udoh is unacceptable.

3. Is there a silver lining in this loss?

Charlie Widdoes, ClipperBlog: It gave more proof that isolation offense and heavy reliance on the 3-pointer isn’t a sustainable way to win games, does that count? Mo Williams, Chris Paul and Randy Foye took turns catching fire on the way to 19 long balls, but it still wasn’t enough. And that just shouldn’t be a surprise. They aren’t good enough defensively to win that way against teams as hot from downtown as they are.

Nick Flynt, ClipperBlog: No. The Clippers’ supporting scorers still failed to put together a full effort (Mo was great, Caron and Foye were bad) and the defense looked as bad as ever. Eric Bledsoe even fouled a jumpshooter again. Bad game all the way around.

Michael Shagrin, ClipperBlog: Chris Paul being held scoreless in the fourth quarter could be looked at as a silver lining. If you see that ineptitude as a trend that started with his meltdown against the Spurs, then that silver certainly loses its shine.

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C L I P S E T

Need a slasher. Somebody that can drive. Sick and tired of watching them do all that dancing just to chuck up a wild jump shot. Randy Foye is not the answer at the 2. DeAndre Jordan needs to improve his overall game
Sam K

Where was Caron in crunch time?
JaySee

Blake constantly getting lost in rotation on defense had me pulling my hair out. I shouted like a madman when he didn’t even bother to put a hand up or jump on the final shot.
- griffin
  
  He I wouldn’t do that if I had 5 fouls either. Blake couldn’t play defense cuz the refs called everything on him
  - JaySee
    
    Last second shot, you should not be caring about fouls. You stop that damn ball from going anywhere near the rim. You don’t sit on your heels and watch a guy shoot an uncontested jumper in your face. Blake getting totally lost on defensive rotations has nothing to do with his foul troubles.
JaySee

This isn’t related to the game, but is slightly related to basketball. I’ve created a Facebook page to have ESPN rehire the employees responsible for “Chink in the armor” and stop the perpetuation of racism. Please check it out and like it if you agree. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rehire-the-wrongly-terminated-ESPN-employeesHelp-end-racism/238434752910377 Also, please contact ESPN and let them know that they are helping to perpetuating racism.
- JaySee
  
  *helping to perpetuate racism.
- M
  
  Clearly you lack the understanding that racism is a serious issue that many Americans still struggle with on a regular basis. My guess is that you are a white male and have never experienced this yourself so you think its okay for people to include racial slurs in major publications. Do you think its okay for white people to call black people ni**ers? Of course it isn’t. Both “chink” and “nigger” are derogatory racial slurs used to demean people and make them feel unequal. In a perfect world there would not be racists and every word would be acceptable but the world is not perfect. Minorities still earn less than whites for the same work, are turned away from housing (e.g. Donald Sterling), and disproportionately stereotyped in the media. Please take your demagoguery somewhere else.
  - JaySee
    
    Clearly you’re an irrational racists that probably was a victim of racism and wants to hold onto it and continue to perpetuate it. I’m an American of Asian decent and was a minority in my community. I grew up being called “chink”, squinty, nip, etc. on a near daily basis. I know the only way to get past racism is to let it die and treat people equally, not perpetuate racism by making special rules and making everyone overly aware of race. Treat people as equals and stop looking at race.
- Metal Matty
  
  Racism already gets WAY WAY WAY too much focus these days. At some point we have to realize there will ALWAYS be individual idiots of all races. But we have entirely lost the original meaning of racism as political correctness has essentially changed the definition.
  
  We will never be able to control people’s thoughts. All we have is the law. If someone breaks the law… punish them and make an example of them. Period. It doesn’t matter why they beat someone up or whetever they had in their head. And it doesn’t matter if they are sorry. Just make fair laws that have no race agenda or bias and enforce them.
  - Metal Matty
    
    I think it’s pretty clear who the racist is here. “M”
    That post really should have been thought out a bit before hitting “reply”.
    - Bongstradamus
      
      No it’s not clear. One guy is talking about “reverse racism” another about “normal” racism. Either way this and politics should be kept far away from this blog.
      - Tim
        
        What did Deandre say to Kobe when he came down the lane with that soft weak left hand in pre-season? He said the same thing I’m sayin’ about politics on this blog, “Get that crap outta there!” YOu Rick Santorum and Al Sharpton wanna-be’s best be on your way. This is Clipper hoops talk, our sanctuary.
griffin

No defense equals lost. Warriors took what ever they wanted. That said we could have won the game if griffin played all 48. Everytime griffin went out the offense stalled. But pure offense isn’t gonna win u the game. We are in need of a good sg defender. We need to create some sort of team defense if we want to go deep in the playoffs. Also I notice gomes got a dnp. And gave his mins to bledsoe. Rot on the bench gomes
http://thesubversivebirds.com/ Renato S.

What killed the Clippers, AGAIN, were the turnovers. To be, nothing stands out more than the TO and opp points out of TO. TO killed against the warriors, I won’t even comment about the Spurs and then against Dallas, 19 TO.

The rest was not the problem, you take some TO and this could have been a win. Because this was a close game for a team that had almost 2 times more TO.

Griffin passed open looks, he was in foul trouble, but he is the only one that has any consistency through out games. And he put his usual numbers, I think people are unfair to complain too much about him, this game is not on him.

Warriors defense played well and the Clippers didn’t move the ball properly. Griffin and the PG need to talk, there are times when Griffin should slip out of the pick and roll, but also there are times when he should set the pick.

Evans was terrific, he was rebounding everything.

I still don’t get people that didn’t want JR on this team. Clippers has no scorer since Gordon was traded, JR can improve the 3-guard line up and defend some SF. He is an outstanding 3 pt shooter and if needed he can create for himself. People complain about his behavior but seriously, when you weight things, there are more things to gain than to lose and ultimately you can bench him. But now he is with the Knicks, so there is not much point in this.
JoeLuis323

The team is still in learning mode so lets not get too carried away with this loss. I had a problem with the way vdn distributed the minutes. We need a fresher CP3 down the stretch. (I was hoping CP3 would pass the ball to ‘Red-Hot’ Mo on that play where he got blocked. Mo had earned that shot!) We need more playmaking. blake was unstopable on the first quarted but once fatigue kicked in + double teaming the clips became a shooting team. (u live/die by the jumper kinda team)

Things we should (i hope) see improvement once playoff time comes is:1. better Defense,2. VDN and his playmaking x&0′s/decision making repertoire, and 3. E-Bled improved! He’ll be a major key once playoff time imho.

Pipedreaming – Can’t imagine what a monster of a team this clips team would be if we had a healthy eric gordon running the wing! plus they had some chemistry built already)

PS. Gomes DNP was nice to c. I can’t think of a more undecisive player that’s ever played the game! anyone? Ala-Donald Sterling of 2011 ‘Buttler and what’s his name’ LMAO!
- Metal Matty
  
  Agree on the Gomes DNP. The next loss after the last one COULD NOT have anything to do with Gomes. Period. At least we lost this one because we deserved to loose. Not because we deserved to win, had the game one and decided to tempt fate with the same stupid move that backfired the last time we tried it.
  
  After tha last game. I was almost ready to place Vin squarely on the hot seat. But without knowing what the play was I am not entirely sure who was to blame and how much.
  
  Anyway…. let’s get a BIG W on Wednesday and enjoy the All-Star break.
Metal Matty

A tough loss but GS played well. Over their heads in some cases (Udoh).

My biggest disappointment in this one was not the players but the announcer…. Mike Smith. The utter banality of his senseless yammering begs the question whether or not his brain stem is even connected.

Contradicting his own self-aggrandizing comments “The team that hits the most 3 pointers will win the game” with “this game is going to go right down to the wire”. The moronic buffoonery that has become par for the course early in these contests is enough to make me turn off Ralph Lawler and tune in to other teams TV coverage. Something I never thought would become routine for me.

But since we are talking about silver linings, the good news is that Smith is still better than Mychael Thompson and few of the Network guys. …. barely
MV22

The Clippers need a 6’6″ starting 2 guard who can defend, slash and shoot the 3 with the ability to back up Butler at the 3. J.R. Smith would have helped on the offensive end. Stephen Jackson is available but has a high (9mil) salary. He’d be a perfect complement. If not him, someone. It’s clear that Foye is not a starting caliber 2. However , he’s a solid backup. Gomes must go. He’s a liability on the court, adds no value. Two very disappointing losses in a row. The Lakers only one game behind them. They need to pull it together and cut down the turnovers, play defense and get back on the winning track–tomorrow night.
- Metal Matty
  
  Patience, my friend. This MEGA-team is still in infant mode. We need to grow and progress at the right speed and at the right time. Trying to fix every little dent when we are still trying to figure out how the car runs is a mistake.
  - griffin
    
    No he’s right there’s a black hole at the sg now that billups is out. Trading for stephen jackson would be of most help. Since jackson wants out we could trade gomes and a trade exception for him. If bobcats are willing. They don’t need to make move since they are a high draft pick. But doesn’t mean they will just take gomes off our hands either. Maybe another guy could do the trick. And we can have jackson.
    - Metal Matty
      
      I like Jackson better than I like Smith. I’ll give you that. Gomes and a trade exception seems like a pipedream though. If that’s really the cost. I say go for it.
    - Tim
      
      Although Jackson is a member of the Bucks, and not Bobcats, it does appear as though they have a number of long-winged g/f types on the roster with Dunleavey Jr, Delpino, Livingston, and Jackson. I would take any of those characters over what we got at this point. I was high on Foye, but I also need to read the writing on the wall. I know Monta Ellis gets his points nightly regardless of who’s guarding him, but I’d like to get this longer winged guy, and turn into a Demote everytime this long winged-guy fails to deliver wins for the team. I still believe that less turnovers, better free throws, can deliver more wins than the long-winged guy, but I have an open mind. We dominated the boards last night, but we turned it over too many times. There’s no way the long-winged guy stops Ellis, he’s been putting up 30 a night, because that’s what he does, you can’t stop that guy. Although I like Jacksons or Livingstons chances better. Jackson, if he can’t stop him, at least he’ll put Ellis in the 3rd row with a nice cheap foul and he has that patented Jackson Scowl, no one wrickles their forehead like Stephen Jackson!
      - griffin
        
        Yeah my bad I get jackson mixed up between the two since he has played for both
  - MV22
    
    Not a matter of patience. I like Foye. He’s a good character guy and he plays hard. He’s just not a starting caliber 2 guard on a contending team, which we are. Add Jackson at the starting 2 and backup 3 and you have 2 positions covered and no holes in the lineup. Gomes is an inadequate backup 3. Foye a great utility guard off the bench. Jackson not only gives us defense and toughness but he can shoot the 3 and slash. Add Captain Jack and we go to the finals.
Clips4

Crappy coaching, poor player rotations, no perimeter defender, poor freethrow shooting – all these things hurt us last night. When crunch time comes, you need to run your bread and butter plays and that’s what has made CP3 so good in the past because he still runs the team’s offense while other teams’ offenses break down to pure iso plays for the go-to guy. VDN’s lack of go-to plays in crunch time isn’t good and he played CP3 33 minutes yesterday into the fourth quarter where by the time he came back in, he had no energy left to bring us home with the win. The Clippers are a jump shooting team with no way to get easy baskets. Dribble penetration keeps destroying us and we make dumb fouls when opposing slashers get into the lane. We need a slasher who can defend the perimeter as well to keep defenses honest. VDN has shown flashes of coaching genius, but the bad trumps any good he brings to the table. VDN cannot be coaching this team next season.
- WC
  
  Bingo….What happened to the pre/early-season Clippers? They could get to the rim at will, now granted teams have been able to look at film and adjust but it seems to me that the offense has regressed. Am I missing something here?
http://crimelaw crimelaw

If Bledsoe isn’t hurt,he should be playing a lot more. His speed would have helped last night,& CP3 could certainly have used the rest.He clearly cannot play 40 minutes in this tight schedule as was demonstrated last night.Bledsoe made a mistake in fouling Ellis on a 3 point shot,but DJ made many more mistakes & he wasn’t sat down for the rest of the game like Bledsoe. He showed last year & against the Spurs last week that he has substantial talent. As for Gomes, I agree he’s played badly this year & that his confidence has been shattered,but he has ability,particularly on defense, & I think he should have played last night -especially if they want him to contribute something in the future or even have some trade value. Agree that we need a better off guard. Foye is inconsistent & can’t finish. I have not seen any flashes of genius in Del Negro’s coaching. He isn’t awful, but he’s no more than adequate. What stands out for me is that De’Andre has made no improvement,& that Blake,who has played much better recently,still has issues with his post play & decision making. I’m also not sure Vinnie will be able to stand up to the pressure as the season progresses & coaching matters. I hope i’m wrong.
- Tim
  
  Just a casual observation. Bledsoe was suspended late last season, and did something bone-headed in the off-season, tricking out the knee in the free-style pick-up game. My thoughts? Dudes still in the dog-house, and hasn’t worked his minutes hard enough to get out of the dog-house. We need him to work his minutes, so he can become good trade bait, so we can get that long winged defender that everyones been crying for. I don’t care about the future of the franchise, because, The Don is finally onboard, and there’s no reason to believe if this current colorful cast of Clippers fail, that a new and improved version won’t be too far behind. The proof was in the pudding. The Don paid Elton, and Corey, and Krissy-Kaman, he paid the Baron, and will pay CP3, and Blake when the time comes. So, if E-Bled doesn’t get traded, then we sign a free agent 2 guard next year, and come back with the same team, and see what happens. I’d love to win the NBA title, but honestly, I’d settle for the Pacific Division, just get me a banner inside of Staples. Yes, Division titles do count, in my book!
DeMote DeAndre

The main reason the Clippers lost to lowly Golden State was DeAndre Jordan. He was his typical bad . . . but even more so.

Ekpe Udoh not only had one of his best games of the season against Jordan, he had *the* best game of his career, by far. Udoh torched Jordan for 9-14 and 19 points and a +/- of +13. He even had 2 blocks.

Jordan was 2-6 for 5 points. And he only had 1 block.

How grateful does Golden State have to be that Olshey matched their offer to Jordan. They must be counting their blessings that they’re not stuck with Jordan and his $10 -11 million a year contract for four years and instead have Udoh and his $3-4 million contract.
- Metal Matty
  
  Udoh looked like a fish outta water early and hit a couple odd shots that normally he clanks at best. I’m willing to say we didn’t play him great but this was not like Brendan Haywood putting up high percentage shot after high percentage shot.
  
  Udoh DID get more comfortable once he had about 10 points and put up a couple nice hooks.
  
  But if I’m being honest. As much as I have agreed our interior D needs some kind of adjustment. … that dude just plain got lucky. I only saw maybe 1 shot that he took that where I felt before I could see the result, that it was a shot we weren’t comfortable letting him shoot.
  
  (….. I know…. I know… I’m feeding the trolls or one of them.)
DeMote DeAndre

The highest Clipper salary is to Chris Paul, $16+ million. That’s understandable.

The second highest is to DeAndre Jordan, $10 million. It’s the first of an increasing 4 year deal, and it can’t be amnestied. It’s a disaster.

The third highest is to Mo Williams, $8.5 million for two years. That’s questionable, but it’s not outrageously bad.

The fourth highest is to Caron Butler, $8 million. That’s OK.

The fifth highest is to Griffin, $5.7 million. That’s obviously a good deal.

Then there’s Foye at $4.5 million and Gomes for 2 years at $4.0 millioin each. Both are questionable, especially Gomes because of the second year.

Billups is $3.5 million but it’s only this year.

The only thing really bad in all of that is Jordan. Somehow Olshey has to correct that horrible mistake and trade Jordan.

The best thing is to trade Jordan and Mo Williams and their almost $19 million in salary for Dwight Howard and his almost $18 million in salary. If Orlando would rather have Caron Butler than Mo Williams do that. Throw in whatever else is necessary to round it out.
- AH
  
  Billups’ salary is $2,000,032. You’re looking at Hoopshype which has inaccurate information in their salary section.
- zack
  
  if Jordan is that bad why would the Magic take him? You’re correct in posing the thought that Clips should get D12. But your posture on DeAndre Jordan is so immature, it smells of douchebaggery. What else were the Clips going to do? Huh? Let him go? Tell me that. Sure, Dalembert would’ve been great. But nope. Chris Paul wouldn’t have come here had the team not had DeAndre. “Why not?” you ask in your thoughtless way. Well, the Clips would’ve been without a center. DeAndre is good enough. This iS NOT a championship team this year at this point. I think you’re forgetting how bad this franchise has been. We didn’t make the playoffs last year bub, and we looked bad doing it. Rarely is a team going to overturn their whole roster, and rarely is a building team going to give up the opportunity to keep a solid big man growing in talent. He doesn’t play like a true center yet, but that’s okay because at this point there are very few true centers outside of Marky marc Gasol and Bynum. The rest are weird hybrids like D12. If Griffin was better defensively and offensively, we’d be able to be much more forgiving of Jordan. You need to get back in your rocker and accept the fact that it’s tough to build a team in the NBA and you’re not always going to have the perfect situation. We have Chris freakin’ Paul, Blake friggin Griffin, Caron Eye-ight Butler. Mo Mo Williams. We had Sir Le Chauncey Billoops. You’re right, DeAndre ain’t great. But you are pissing everyone off with your incessant blabbering. Just shove off!
DeMote DeAndre

It would be worth it for the Clippers to also take back Turkoglu and his terrible salary (about $11 million a year for three years) if they had to and then add Caron Butler to the deal along with Mo Williams, not instead of. They probably don’t have to, but it would be worth it if they did. Howard is that good and Jordan is that bad.

It’s the difference between winning the title for a number of years and never getting out of the first round of the playoffs. Huge difference.
- AH
  
  I only have one request: If the trade deadline passes and DJ is still a Clipper, you’ll stop talking about trading him for anything and how bad you think his contract is until after the season is over.
  
  I can appreciate you wanting to make the team better but the negativity and unending polemic rancor… It’s like you think swapping DJ for anyone will instantly fix all the problems of the Clippers and ensure multiple titles; whereas it seems most people here think there are bigger problems to address than DJ. Would Dwight Howard make the Clippers better? Of course, but you’re proposing trades that essentially gut the current Clippers team in favor of a Knicks type of roster or worse.
  
  On top of that you’ve been killing Olshey for matching the DJ contract. Even if you think Olshey should not have matched, you can appreciate that he did a good job in acquiring Chris Paul. I believe you vociferously argued that the MIN pick should only be traded for Dwight Howard and that you would rather have Harrison Barnes than anyone else. The pick is currently 13th in the lottery and anyone you wanted is well gone by then. So Olshey did a very good job getting max value for what is turning out to be a mid-round pick. That should have bought him some credit for his job.
  
  So again, if DJ is a Clipper and the trade deadline passes, just leave it all alone until after the season when you can run amok with Dwight Howard trade scenarios.
- zack
  
  if Jordan is that bad why would the Magic take him? You’re correct in posing the thought that Clips should get D12. But your posture on DeAndre Jordan is so immature, it smells of douchebaggery. What else were the Clips going to do? Huh? Let him go? Tell me that. Sure, Dalembert would’ve been great. But nope. Chris Paul wouldn’t have come here had the team not had DeAndre. “Why not?” you ask in your thoughtless way. Well, the Clips would’ve been without a center. DeAndre is good enough. This iS NOT a championship team this year at this point. I think you’re forgetting how bad this franchise has been. We didn’t make the playoffs last year bub, and we looked bad doing it. Rarely is a team going to overturn their whole roster, and rarely is a building team going to give up the opportunity to keep a solid big man growing in talent. He doesn’t play like a true center yet, but that’s okay because at this point there are very few true centers outside of Marky marc Gasol and Bynum. The rest are weird hybrids like D12. If Griffin was better defensively and offensively, we’d be able to be much more forgiving of Jordan. You need to get back in your rocker and accept the fact that it’s tough to build a team in the NBA and you’re not always going to have the perfect situation. We have Chris freakin’ Paul, Blake friggin Griffin, Caron Eye-ight Butler. Mo Mo Williams. We had Sir Le Chauncey Billoops. You’re right, DeAndre ain’t great. But you are pissing everyone off with your incessant blabbering. Just shove off!
  - zack
    
    Oh, and DeMote DeAndre, I must add that having Turkoglu on your team is the official ‘sign of death!’ Seriously, shame on you! Your analysis is weak, your mind is empty of reason, your thoughts crippled as a legless deer!
- http://www.barmapla.com FD
  
  The DeAndre signing isn’t great, but there wasn’t anyone else to sign. I’m not an Olshey fan, but I don’t blame him for that. The only thing is that VDN should only play him 20 min a game right now. He played too much vs Golden State. And he’s going to get a little better towards the end of his contract. Probably not worth it, but better than starting Cook.
- Steve
  
  Are you daft? So you propose giving up two of our starters in Caron Butler and DJ, along with a potential 6MOY in Williams, only to get back D12 and Hedo? Dude you reside on another planet of insanity. Please stop posting.
Ima

Sad loss last night!

I actually really like Randy Foye and think that his production has always been good for us. Unfortunately, he is always asked to guard much longer players, so he always gives us a mismatch. If only there were some way to balance out the team so that half of the roster weren’t point guards!

Besides that, I think the Clippers should dominate if they try to do something besides the high screen role for at least a couple of plays a game….
zack

Still can’t get over the comparison to Mitt Romney from the other day. But I guess it’s apt considering the Clippers’ up and down tank-jobs the last couple games.
http://Clipperblog.com Olden Polynice

Has DeAndre had a great game since KMart was signed ? Seems like he’s regressed lately. DEMote may have an extreme bias, but DJ has to pick it up! But because of the BG best friend dynamic I wouldn’t trade him.
Loy Vaught

Even with the horrid D the clippers played overall last night they still should have won this game. Everyone keeps saying that the warriors outplayed the clippers, but I think they only out worked the clippers. The real reason we lost last night was due to the odd subbing, or not, of the rotation. Paul was dead in the 4th quarter because he played basically all of the first half and all of the 3rd, but he still tried to play superman and missed every shot. Mo was hot and Foye was playing well, but 4th quarters are Paul’s time and he didn’t have the legs. BTW anyone else notice that butler didn’t come back in the 4th until the final minute? Horrible subbing by VDN killed the clippers.

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