Chris Paul Being Unfair

02 Apr 2012

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I wasn’t fortunate enough to grow up watching Kevin McHale play (I guess MJ is a nice consolation prize) but from everything I’ve seen in old clips and have heard from smart people, McHale had the best post moves ever. The guy had counters for his counters, blending a whirling array of pumpfakes and impeccable footwork. He thrived on knowing what you thought he was going to do, then he did the opposite.

Now imagine trying to defend against that brand of mental warfare…except now you’re backpedaling and here comes your man, sprinting right at you.

That’s why I love Chris Paul on the break, and I think that’s a large part of why the Clippers have been able to rattle off five straight. The tempo seems to have picked up, and now it’s not Chris Paul against five guys and a coach, it’s Chris Paul against one or two lonely defenders, on their heels, peeking behind Paul for that #32 train that might run them over.

Paul had a move against the Jazz on Saturday night that you’ve probably already seen. Chances are, if you go down to the park tonight, you’ll see someone try to pull it off. Here’s the thing though — this wasn’t a quick flash of brilliance — this was a long con. Paul has been setting this move up for weeks.

Backup point guard Eric Bledsoe loves the between the legs pass to a trailer on the break, and like any great player, Paul adopted it and took it for his own, just like Tony Parker took Allen Iverson’s floater. But that’s not enough for Paul, and that’s what makes him great. For every move Paul has, there’s a counter. His nasty crossover has his even nastier in and out dribble that turns defenders into gargoyles.

But this? This is just unfair.

Tim

Chris Paul does not get enough credit. When you think of Point Guards who can shoot it, most people immediately say, Steve Nash is the best shooter, but I disagree. I’ll admit, prior to this season, my perception was that its Steve Nash, but after watching this season, no question, Paul is purer than Nash, something Paul taught me about the game. Olshey doesn’t get enough credit for trading for the best point guard this franchise has ever had. Honestly thought that Chris Paul was one of the best point guards, but I didn’t understand what its like to have one of the best point guards playing on my team. Chris Paul is completely unstoppable, and when the bench is doing its job, and get Paul rest for when he goes hero mode, the Clippers are unbeatable. Paul, best closer in the game. We’re that team that nobody wants to see.
- Clips4
  
  As much as I love CP, Nash is purer as a shooter in which he has had 5 straight seasons where he shot 50%+ FG%, 40%+ 3P%, and 90%+ FT% (from ’05-’06 to ’09-’10). Nash’s career is also a lot longer compared to CP. In terms of impact on a franchise, CP has a greater impact right now over Nash who is moving towards the end of his career. And, I do agree with you that CP is the best closer in the game. If we keep up the defensive effort and intensity over these next 14 games going into the playoffs, we are definitely a team nobody will want to see.
  
  Credit: Hoopsworld.com
  - jerry
    
    Hey Clips4, I played pickup ball at 24Hr Fitness last night. There were some pretty good runs. Very competitive, especially for a Sunday night. My team ran 6 games in a row because we kept winning. And as you know, winner stays on. We won 6 games in a row, and none of us were going that hard on D. We were just playing lazy defense. But we still kept winning. What is your response to that?
    - Clips4
      
      If by winning 6 games in a row you mean that the other teams’ guys just stood there and let you score on them at will, sure.
      - jerry
        
        Nope, that’s not what happened at all. But if that’s what you’re telling yourself in order to make yourself believe that you know what you’re talking about, then sure.
      - Jason
        
        Hey jerry,
        
        Don’t argue with fools. It’s a lose/lose situation for you. Clips4 ain’t gonna stop. Just ignore him.
    - Clips4
      
      Pistons in 2004 and the Mavs in 2010 – both teams were inferior in talent yet they won it all. What does that say?
      - Clips4
        
        Edit: Mavs in 2011
- JaySee
  
  Nash and D.Will are both better shooters.
joeluis323

Awesome Stuff! These are the best days this Clip fan has seen in well.. Ever!
Tonight’s game will truly show how much the team has improved Vs the Mavs.
Bring on the Lake show! Can’t wait!

I know Olshey gets alot of credit, but what about DTS and semi-changing his ways? no haggling, and answering questions correctly (giving confidence to Vinnie, etc.) For the most part he’s been on the sidelines letting GM do his thing. He’s been putting $ to make a winning/profitable team (DJ’s contract, Etc) . It just seems that he’s semi-changed his ways. Only time will tell if he shows his true colors, We’ll c.
Chandler

WOW…
AH

Great post, DJ. This Paul move may have usurped Blake’s Perk dunk and the 12 points in 50 seconds as my favorite single moment of the season so far.

Also, I went to the park and tried this move. It was too powerful. I broke my own ankles and hobbled home.
Metal Matty

Couldn’t agree more, DJ. This was indeed a long con. Terrific phrasing there. And though maybe not in those words that’s exactly what the educated viewer was thinking when he pulled this off.

Also agree with AH, this was a “single favorite moment” type of play that ranks up there with the Mozgov and the Perkins Remix of the Mozgov original.

It’s rare that one play ranks up there with a JAW DROPPING DUNK the likes of which Blake Griffin and few else on rare occasion are able to muster. And usually when they do, it is like a three quarter court heave or twiting tornado left handed flip or something like that where if nothing else, it sure seems like LUCK is at least considerable factor, not to take anything away from those plays.

But THIS. This was just like, “oooooooooooooh, that’s cold.”
- http://www.clipperblog.com D.J. Foster
  
  “It’s rare that one play ranks up there with a JAW DROPPING DUNK the likes of which Blake Griffin and few else on rare occasion are able to muster. And usually when they do, it is like a three quarter court heave or twiting tornado left handed flip or something like that where if nothing else, it sure seems like LUCK is at least considerable factor, not to take anything away from those plays.”
  
  That’s a really good point. I really like plays like this because technically everyone should be able to do them because it doesn’t take extraordinary athleticism or height…
  
  But the way he pulls it off? Man. So smooth, so effortless. Didn’t tip it off at all. The fake looked exactly like the real thing. It’s just a mastery of deception.
  
  You’re right — it’s not “ahhh” it’s “ooooh”. There’s a difference.
  - Metal Matty
    
    If a rookie PG tries this move and the wheels come off, he is on the bench for a week unless he is a top 3 pick. Yet, this is the first time I have seen this move from Paul (or anyone else for that matter) and he was nowhere near loosing the ball or having anything happen other than a layup. He did it so smooth that it actually looked like a much higher percentage play than dropping the pass which might have turned out spectacular but could have just as easily turned into 2 free throws for a struggling FT shooter.
DeMote DeAndre

Yes, Chris Paul’s recent move was truly amazing and he often is excellent. Unfortunately, he has fewer amazing nights and more sub par nights than he did before his knee operation. Fatigue seems to effect his performance more these days. Hopefully that won’t be as noticable in the playoffs with more time off between games.

Griffin also is often amazing, though he recently had a noticable down turn when he stopped rollng to the basket. He seems to have picked it up some in the last few games, and hopefully he will continue getting back on track in the playoffs. Jordan has been a bad influence on Griffin but hopefully that won’t last either.

The problem is everybody else besides Paul and Griffin. Williams often is good coming off the bench but he’s also often cold. Foye does have some good nights, though he is inconsistent and when he’s off the Clippers are in trouble. Butler wobbles back and forth between bad and mediocre. After those three, nobody can score at all.

If those three all get hot along with Paul and Griffin, then the Clippers can beat most anybody, even with the inept play at the center position. The obvious problem is that those three do not get hot along with Paul and Griffin very often, and it’s certainly not going to happen in 4 games of a playoff series.
- CP
  
  That’s awesome how much you know about Paul’s play before and after his knee operation even with the Hornets having only 3 nationally televised games each of the past few seasons.
- http://www.barmapla.com FD
  
  Good thing CP3 doesn’t have D as one of his initials.
  - Clips4
    
    DeMote, when was the last time you watched a game? Blake is rolling more now. He got the message.
DeMote DeAndre

It is interesting to see the contortions that so many people here go through in an effort to delude others into thinking DeAndre Jordan is anything other than bad.

The whole idea that he’s on a learning curve and shouldn’t be judged for another two years is more pipedreaming. He’s essentially the same quality player he was when he entered the draft after his freshman year of college and was immediately downgraded to a second round pick because there’s nothing there, there except a tall guy who can jump high and run fast.

Athlecticism is not skill. He has no skill.

Sure he can shoot free throws a little less badly, but he’s still terrible at them. (Even a teen age girl who can’t paly basketball at all will improve some at free throws given enough practice) He also still has no ability to generate any offense on his own and he can’t score more than a few inches away from the rim on alley -oops or put-backs, and there are very few of those available in a game.

He also still cannot defend at all and still is repeatedly torched by, at best, average centers . . . even getting torched 2 games ago by some guy who’d just gotten waived by the second worst team in the Western conference. Hard to be any worse on defense than that. . . . and that’s after several years in the league. He’s not going to get any better.

He’s always going to be DeAndre the Disaster, who is eating up over $10 million a year of scarce cap space for the next four years . . . and can’t even be amnestied.
- Clips4
  
  DJ is not bad. He’s just not perfect. There are plenty of other centers in the NBA that are worse than DJ is. Example: Hasheem Thabeet, Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry
DeMote DeAndre

Rock Chalk!!!

If anybody is wondering where that odd phrase came from, it’s because KU is set atop the only “mountain” in Kansas (officially it is a mountain, Mount Oread). The mountain is made up of a lot of chalk on the inside of it. KU fans get excited and start swaying their arms back and forth in an effort to “rock the chalk” in the mountain below their feet.

Some professor there came up with it once as part of a fight song he wrote for the school and it stuck.
“Rock Chalk Jayhawk, KKKK UUUU!!!
- http://www.clipperblog.com D.J. Foster
  
  Huh. I didn’t know that — that’s pretty cool.
DeMote DeAndre

The comments on Clipsnation are boring.
- Steve
  
  So is your useless rhetoric
Metal Matty

I hate to say it, but the Clippers are a bit of a “Paper Tiger” right now. They did a GREAT job taking care of business at home during this last homestand and were even able to wash the horrid taste of that last road trip out of the mouth of the fans…. but early in the season this team was truly DANGEROUS. Meaning when they ramped it up, they could steamroll even a pretty solid team playing good ball. Ever since the San Antonio meltdown, they havn’t been the same team.

Might be partly the Billups loss, or a combination of the loss of confidence, teams figuring out they only have two plays, or the schedule, but they are no long DANGEROUS. The STEARN challenges, like for example, playing OKC have been met with very meek efforts and results.

Now that we have stabalized a ship that was hemmoraging water, it would be really nice to get that STATEMENT game sometime soon that says “WE”RE BA’AAACK”.

I don’t know what it will take. Pounding down Dallas at their building by 22. Two solid wins against Dallas and the Lakers extending the streak and making it a Home-Road streak and not just a home streak. ??? I big win against OKC, MIAMI or SA??

Not sure, but I would love to see it. I hope it’s comin’. We are starting to see the signs.
- http://www.clipperblog.com D.J. Foster
  
  I agree that these next few games are potential statement games. We know the Clippers are good at home and play energized ball…but can they keep it up against a potential playoff matchup on the road? These games coming up (DAL, LAL, OKC, MEM) are huge.
- Tim
  
  Looks like the 1st question about the 22pt pounding of Dallas was a good call. If we can beat the Lakers Wednesday, then we can officially remove paper from the mix, and be the Tigers that we appear to be.
http://crimelaw crimelaw

Although his name is rarely brought up in the discussion,Chris Paul is the most valuable player in the league. Aside from everything else he does,he’s won at least 10 games by himself with last second shots & incredible defensive plays. Without him, the Clips would have been lucky to have won 20 games by now, & we would all be bemoaning another sad season. Donald Sterling should be putting up a statue of David Stern in front of the Staples Center as soon as possible.
- http://www.clipperblog.com D.J. Foster
  
  If you’re a stats guy, it’s hard to argue against LeBron being the MVP. But if you’re more of a narrative type, and truly think it should go to the player most valuable to his team — not the best player statistically — than you can make a heck of a case for Paul.
- jerry
  
  Why the heck should Donald Sterling be putting up a statue of David Stern in front of Staples? David Stern did not do the Clippers any favors. All he did was get the best possible deal he could for the Hornets franchise, in the long term. It had nothing to do with the Clippers, per se. Instead, it had everything to do with what was in the best long-term interests of the Hornets franchise.
  
  I hate it when people say that the Clippers owe David Stern something, as if Stern intentionally wanted CP3 in a Clippers uniform. The reason we got CP3 is because we had the assets. We did a fantastic job of stockpiling young talent, draft picks, and a big expiring contract. David Stern had nothing to do with all of that. Donald Sterling should be putting up a statue of himself, or of Neil Olshey. Not of David Stern.
  
  The Lakers acquiring Chris Paul was complete horse manure. David Stern did the absolute right thing in vetoing/rejecting that trade. Just think about it.
  
  The contracts of Gasol and Odom come out to $27 million annually. The contract of CP3 comes out to $16 million annually. How can you trade away $27 million, but only take back $16 million? The salaries are not even close to matching up.
  
  And look at it from the Hornets perspective. They would have received Kevin Martin, Scola, Odom and Dragic. The contracts of these 4 players comes out to $32 million annually. And the only expiring contract out of all 4 players is Goran Dragic at $2 million.
  
  So you’re telling me that the Hornets trade away CP3 at $16 million annually, but they take back 4 Non All-Star players at $32 million annually? How in the world is that a good deal for the New Orleans Hornets? The salaries are not even close to matching up. Go try it out at the ESPN Trade Machine. It doesn’t work.
  
  David Stern didn’t do the Clippers any favors. We earned the right to acquire Chris Paul. Fair and Square. We gave up A LOT.
  
  Laker fans need to stop bitching about David Stern. They sure weren’t bitching when the Lakers stole Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown and a late 2nd Round Draft Pick (Marc Gasol). Yes, Marc Gasol has turned out to be a nice player, but at the time, he was just a late 2nd Round Pick. 48th pick overall.
  - Metal Matty
    
    Disagree. David Stern stood up and single handedly screwed the Lakers knowing he would take the heat. This is unprescedented. Let the construction on a foundation for statue building begin…
    - Tim
      
      Matty, that Lakers deal for Paul was garbage for the Hornets. Very proud of Stern for not letting the Lakers get away with highway robbery again. I’ve asked this question numerous times. How does a 5th seeded playoff team end up with the #1 overall pick? (Magic Johnhson) How does an NBA champion, smack dab in the middle of a 10 year run to the finals virtually every year, end up with the #1 overall pick? (James Worthy) How do justify getting away with trading Cricketon, Brown, and a late 2 rounder, for Pau Gasol? I’m sorry, but something stinks, I don’t care how you spin it. Enough is enough already, great job Commish!
  - Chaderack
    
    I think you just bitch slapped every Laker fan who thought Stern did the Clips a favor. I am enlightened by all your points, well said my friend!
  - bongstradamus
    
    Gasol was headed to the Rockets, thats how they got the salaries to match. It was a 3 team deal.
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Crippin’ Darrell

Mitch Kupchak & Jim Buss both knew going in that the CP3 trade to the Lakers would not be allowed by the NBA Board of Governors (30 NBA owners).

Coming fresh out of a lockout, where the issue was mainly Owners VS Players, Mitch & Jim both knew that the owners had more power than the players under this new CBA. Before the lockout, it was the other way around.

If Mitch & Jim truly believed that the other 29 NBA owners would allow the CP3 deal to the Lakers, then they are mentally retarded.

It would be like if CP3 had been dealt to the Miami Heat for Mike Miller, Mario Chalmers, Udonis Haslem, and Joel Anthony. Do you seriously think the NBA Board of Governors would’ve allowed that to happen?

Mitch & Jim pulled a publicity stunt by announcing they had acquired CP3. It was foolishly announced before it had even been approved by the NBA Board of Governors.

They wanted to give Laker fans the impression that they were at least trying to improve the roster. When in reality, they knew that the trade would never be allowed.

It turns out that it was a very strategic and successful publicity stunt. Because now, Laker fans have someone to blame. And that someone is David Stern.

Mitch & Jim did not want to be the scapegoats and be blamed for the Lakers downward spiral into mediocrity. They knew exactly what they were doing. And it worked.
- Metal Matty
  
  Well, they ended up loosing Odom for potentially very little and Pau is at least to a degree, drifting in the wind.
  
  “Very Strategic and Successful”?
  
  This was a disaster basketball wise. Period. Even if it did cover their tail.
bongstradamus

Demote and Clips4 have been here for at least 2 seasons. I know because I’m keeping a running tab of DeMote’s picks for the drafts (all of which have sucked) and all of his other shenanigans.

He’s evolved, at one point he was Dump Davis. Which of course, you might know, he advocated trading Baron for anything and eventually reality led to us giving away the pick that would have landed Kyrie Irving. We got absolutely nothing in return. We could have Kyrie Irving AND CP3 right now.

The draft for this season we had 2 second round picks. I said get Jeremy Tyler and/or Isaiah Thomas. DeMote said (seriously) trade DeAndre Jordan for a draft pick to take Nikola Vucevic (a first round pick) and some other center that isn’t playing right now. Because he hates DJ that much. Oh, and he thinks Kaman is like the best thing since bleached and sliced white bread.

Clips4 actually seems to contribute and I dont really get offended any suggestions he makes. I think it kind of sucks when people gang up on anyone but DeMote, who has really brought the wrath of many fans down on his own head through his own words and actions. Someone get the kid a thesaurus at least, if I see the words “torched”, “listless” or “pipedream” again my head is going to explode.

No offense, but I’ve never seen you here before. Are you sure you’re not riding the bandwagon?
- http://www.barmapla.com FD
  
  I think DeMote is just saying that Kaman is a lot better than DeAndre (which is true).
  
  Also, DeMote isn’t the one that gave away the 1st round pick. Olshey should have waited to see if the CBA could have given the Clippers amnesty or even canceled the whole season.
  
  And what’s wrong with Nikola Vucevic with a rookie salary over DJ at 10mil a year? DJ isn’t really helping the Clippers win games.
  - AH
    
    Kaman being better than DeAndre is a matter of opinion. Stats would probably suggest they are approximately the same but DeAndre has a lower usage and turnover rate.
    
    Olshey could not have waited to see if the CBA would offer an amnesty because, lets be honest here, Sterling is not going to pay Davis $29million to play for someone else. If we’re using hindsight here, the play should have been to top-2 protect the 2011 pick the Clippers should have sent to Cleveland with the 2012 MIN pick going to CLE if the Clippers won the draft. Except that the MIN chip was one of the most important pieces to trading for CP3. Best case scenario Bledsoe goes into the CP3 trade instead of the MIN pick, but NOH probably holds out for Irving.
    
    Vucevic is fine for a late 1st round pick. I’ve seen his games at USC and didn’t think he was fantastic (I’m still curious about Jeremy Tyler and Keith Benson). I liked DJ for $8mil (the Clippers’ offer) and I do think he’s (currently) overpaid at $10mil but I’d invite people to look at Hollinger’s advanced stats for centers if they think literally any center would be better than DJ.
    - joeluis323
      
      Good centers are a rare sight. Just because of DJ’s raw potential we had to put up 2 extra mil. If you want to feel better about DJ’s contract just compare it with kwame brown’s contact of 7. OMFG!
  - bongstradamus
    
    Vucevic is fine. Not fantastic. Those are your words. He’s had every opportunity to get into the starting lineup with injuries on the 76ers and only managed 15 min a game. He shoots at a lower percentage, chucks from 3, might even be a worse free throw shooter than DJ and has a tendency to foul. He is a rookie, he will probably be better in 2 years, but the point of the matter is he is not a better player than DJ and to trade an asset like DJ into a center taken in the lower half of the first round and then to start that center is just sheer lunacy. We would not be where we are today if we traded DJ to get Nikola Vucevic as our starting 5. Not to mention, Blake would be upset.
    
    We paid Kaman $12M a season and he only played 1 full season in his entire career. He was only effective if we put the ball in his hands, and if the ball was in his hands, he could be a liability because of turnovers. Statistically Kaman is a worse center than DJ. You can make players look better than they are by simply giving them more opportunities to score. It takes a careful eye and a good judge of talent to see off-the ball skill.
    
    If you project the same usage on DJ that Kaman gets, DJ smokes him like a cheap mexican cigarette. He’s a double-double with the same amount of shot attempts, he also gives you more blocks, more boards and less turnovers at a higher FG% than Kaman. Only people looking at the ppg column think Kaman is the better center. He’s inconsistent, injury-ridden and it’s only getting worse as he ages.
    
    Also, making good with DJ showed the rest of the team that we do intend to spend money to keep our valued players. I might be wrong, but I believe that was the first time we’ve extended a player with a decent contract since Chris Kaman.
    - Clips4
      
      $10M/year is worth spending if it keeps CP3 and Blake as Clippers for the long-haul. Although it would be nice if GSW didn’t put up such a ludicrous number for his actual worth. DJ at best is a 7 to 8M/year center at best until he develops some more.
  - Clips4
    
    DJ isn’t really helping the Clippers lose games either though.
DeMote DeAndre

In reality if Davis has stayed with the Clippers their record would have been worse than it ended up and they’d have had a different draw in the lottery than the one Cleveland got. But just to go along with the delusional pipedream that the Clippers would have drafted Kyrie Irving if they hadn’t traded Baron Davis . . .

the kicker is that then they wouldn’t have traded for Chris Paul. Trading Baron Davis is what brought Chris Paul to the Clippers.
- http://www.barmapla.com FD
  
  Clippers still could have traded for Paul if they drafted Irving. The Clippers could have traded Irving for a good center.
DeMote DeAndre

Speaking of the Bearded Brick Chucker . . .

He got the start Saturday (Lin is out) against Cleveland (the most recent team to throw him out the door), and he responded with a ho-hum 2-6 and 6 points.

For the season with the Knicks, he’s shooting 34% overall and 25% from three land.

Sure is too bad the Clippers traded him off and ende up instead with Chris Paul.
- bongstradamus
  
  Yea, but they are paying him $1.3M. Cant argue with 6 assists per game for $1.3M/year, prorated.
  
  Also, we could be sitting on his contract, worth nearly $13M as an expiring deal. You wanted D12, right? Or we could have simply amnestied it. Salaries like Baron’s are perfect with young assets to get guys like D12. We could have had D12 and CP3 and Blake. Your perfect dream scenario was achievable with just a little patience and additional thought.
  
  Sometimes you have to see the value in the contract from a personnel standpoint. That contract wouldve been a huge asset at the trade deadline and capable of getting us yet another superstar. We gave it away, along with the #1 pick (Kyrie Irving) for Mo Williams, who has been reduced to the 2nd unit chucker I said he would become.
DeMote DeAndre

Minnesota’s pick will be in the lottery and likely will end up somewhere 7 -11. That will get a very good player in this upcoming draft . . . a far better player than DeAndre Jordan is and also a better player than Caron Butler.

It’s good the Cluippers have Chris Paul, but they gave up more than they needed to get him. They should have kept the Minnesota pick.
DeMote DeAndre

Jordan is the worst starting center in the NBA. It’s not that he’s the worst offensive center (even though he is terrible on offense, it’s that he’s the worst starting defensive center in the league (maybe the worst the league has seen in years, maybe ever). Average centers have season best games against him regularly. Sub average centers like the one who got waived by the second worst team in the Western conference torch him for career best performances.

That kind of stuff doesn’t show up in the delusional stats that so many people here hide behind while pipedreaming.
- bongstradamus
  
  The only delusional one here is you. You cherry pick your stats, ignore the ones that matter, and say we are pipe-dreaming. Newsflash: Centers are judged by their Rebounds and Blocks, not their Points.
  
  You didnt even know who Chauncey Billups was last season. You couldn’t even spell his name right and the guy led one of the most dominant defensive teams in history to a championship. Your opinions on players are pretty meaningless in my mind.
- Clips4
  
  DJ’s value aside from his shot blocking and rebounding ability is his ability to alter shots. With Kaman, speedy guards and slashers would have a field day getting to the lane and drawing fouls because Kaman’s vertical is like 2 inches. With DJ, guards think twice now before slashing. Also, DJ has two intangibles that Kaman never had: energy and health. DJ has shown himself more durable than Kaman has and considering we’ll get DJ (barring some catastrophic injury) for 10 mil a year with him playing at least 75+ games hopefully the next 4 years it is better than with Kaman and his 5 year 52.5M contract to where he essentially played 2 and a half seasons. Kaman’s PER this year is 14.73 while DJ’s PER is 17.09. By the measure of those statistics, Jordan is better than Kaman this year. Plus, DJ is in the top 20 of centers in the league with his PER numbers. Could they be higher? Yes but it is not absolutely necessary because of his role for this team that he plays. He’ll work on his game this coming offseason with team coaches and he may and should seek out the Dream to refine his post game. He has all the tools to be a quality starting center and he can do that this offseason. DeMote, you forget that big men take longer to develop. D12 was a beast from the start because he playe dwith the likes of Tony Battie and Darko Milicic his first couple of years in the league and was the most athletic guy on the team and most effective post presence even if he did not have a post game. DJ on the other hand has had Kaman and Marcus Camby so and DJ as a second round pick under Dumbleavy wasn’t getting much playing time. It was until Kaman started no showing after constantly getting hurt and not living up to his contract that DJ got minutes. But DJ did not have to be a post player because Z-Bo was there for one and a half seasons. Now that Blake is healthy, DJ has a post presence playing alongside Blake. As you can see DeMote, DJ was Camby’s understudy for two seasons. That’s why DJ’s game is mirroring after Camby and DJ still has a long way to go in terms of developing.
  - Clips4
    
    Credit ESPN for the PER stats
joeluis323

I actually like DJ on the first quarter right before he gets that second foul that sends him to the bench!
- http://www.barmapla.com FD
  
  Should be interesting to see how many minutes VDN will play DJ going into the playoffs and during the playoffs. Looks like he’s doing a balancing act to see how many minutes he can play him and still get a win.
Paganini

Travelling…
Metal Matty

Personally, I like this blog even though there is a lot of ignorance. It leads to discussion and to me a lot of times it is humerous.

At times it gets out of hand, so I can see why the frustration, but if you like clipsnation.com so much better, that’s cool, go hang out there.

As far as DeMote, I find him funny at times and even accurate at times. And I don’t mind a hater. However, multiple posts on the same thread with the same non-sense is unnecessary and serves no purpose so that could stand to be cleaned up.

Also, I have to hand it to the moderators. They have resisted over policicing this blog and allowed stupid posts for or out of control posters to run out of steam or get ingored rather than starting the BAN tactics that can kill open forums such as this.

I don’t always agree with the articles but big f’n deal. Even as a long time Clippers fan I don’t consider myself the expert of all or somehow “better” because I have followed for so long.

I think the best thing is if a thread gets out of hand or you get tired of the blog. Take a week off and try agail later.

As for Clips4, I know he’s maybe gotten into it with a few people but I havn’t noticed a major problem with him. I know he and Tim were fighting the other day, or at least I think that’s what was going on. Big deal. Tim has some good posts and posts a lot so if someone wants to argue with him and he’s willing to combat, fine with me.

But like I said, anyone commenting SAME STUFF with several posts weather it is on one thread or poping up on every thread, is garbage. I don’t mind DeMote bashing D.J. after every game as long as he is attempting to back his comments up with legit basketball reasoning. Just don’t keep spewing the same post with slightly different wording 4 times on the same thread.
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A very casual fan who doesn’t know anything about basketball isn’t going to post on a blog. Clipper nerd fans are always going to complain about bandwagon fans. Who cares if you liked the team for 20 years vs someone who’s liked them for 1. Do you think DTS is going to give you a discount on tickets or something? Do you think chicks are going to be impressed that you stuck with a losing team for so long? There’s nothing wrong with having a less knowledgeable crowd having fun at the game. But die hard clipper fans seem to get upset at the hollywood crowd now going to Clipper games.
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I like this blog too. The best part about this blog is that the moderators are cool and laid back. They don’t act as if they are the police. They allow it to be an open-forum, as you said. They don’t go around deleting everything. That’s definitely the best part about this blog.

I do agree that some of the comments are ignorant. But I don’t think DeMote DeAndre is one of them. He really does make some good points. I agree with a lot of what he says, and he is very accurate at times. And he does it in a clever, humorous manner. Even his screen name is pretty funny.

I think Clips4 is pretty ignorant though. And I do agree that people like Clips4 have greatly depreciated and devalued this site. He comments on everything, and responds to everything. If he knew what he was talking about, I probably wouldn’t mind. But that dude doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Clipsnation is cool too. But so is clipperblog. And like I said, the best part about this blog is that the moderators don’t have a stick up their ass. They allow it to be what it’s supposed to be: an open forum.

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