Everyone, give us a few minutes.
Ok its clear that we got outcoached. Back to the drawing boards vinnie.
What about that ebled aka Sonic! Hes deff our future!
We knew cp3 was going to get double teamed and we had no answer.
next game is a must win! #GoClips #webelieve!
We didn’t get outcoached. We were within striking distance right up to the three minute mark and just missed a ton of open shots all game. Call it fatigue or simply adjusting to a completely different opponent, but trust that CP3 will come out and kick their asses on Thursday! I’m stoked!
There is absolutely one thing that must happen for game 2. Bledsoe must start in place of Randy Foye.
I would consider that a good coaching adjustment, but I wonder if vinny will make that change.
I don’t think it would be wise, it’s like starting Harden. Bledsoe needs to come off bench and give the Clips a lift, it’s just because he played well this game that you should start him, it doesn’t work like that. He comes of bench, if he plays well, give him more minutes, that’s how it works.
I still say Bledsoe should start, obviously because of his defense, but it would also allow Chris to play off the ball, and Bledsoe would give the clippers another player who could penetrate.
Guard the 3 point line. They scored 39 points on UNGUARDED 3′s. I don’t recall a single 3 they made with a hand in their face. Guard the 3 point line and we win this series. Don’t, and we lose. Simple.
Yeah , its not that simple. We still have the GREATEST power forward ever, and i have seen so many comments where people have stated that the bigs of la are just gonna handle Tim Duncan. Not gonna happen.
I’m on the bledsoe for foye bandwagon now!
Foye has been M.I.A. all playoffs
I am not sure why you’re getting negatives on this comment but it’s been true. Foye has been a no-show in the playoffs.
Just a suggestions! Watch Game 1 and Study your opponent…They know your game, but they know each other even better. Don’t lose heart, but play smart. Like Charles Barkley and Panel said….with the Spurs, it’s a mental game. In my opinion, they are the “Tiffany” of all NBA teams (Talent+Sportmanship) and I know that Clippers have a fight left in them and an opportunity to Learn from the Spurs. Thank you to both teams for making us love the game of Basketball more. Loved every minute of it.
Like there isn’t even one reason to play Foye over Bledsoe at this point. Bledsoe at this point is a better all around offensive player and he’s about 5x the defensive player that Foye is.
One more thing: Bledsoe is your wild card coach!
First, the.Clippers played with more HEART than the Fakers in game one of what will be a VERY competitive series. We hung tough and they didn’t get the cake walk everyone predicted for the Spurs. After a seven game “football” series against the Grizzlies, there will be an obvious adjustment against a completely opposite foe. CP3 will not shoot 3 for 13 again, bank on it. I may be the only one in LA who thinks game two will be the end of the Spurs win streak, but I’m not all that impressed. It’s not like the Thunder simply overwhelming the Fakers with sheer talent; precision teams eventually have breakdowns (see New England twice against the Giants) and the Spurs will eventually have to deal with the machinery breaking down. This is where the Clippers will strike with their resolve.
So I come away with more optimism than ever. Have faith, the series has a LONG way to go.
Yea, good point. I did figure it would take some time for them to adjust from the previous series to this one. Totally different personnel will ahve to be used. Reggie Evans isn’t going to be effective this series at all. Kenyon Martin, in order to be effective, is going to have to decide to rebound. And quite frankly Chris Paul is going to need to get up and down the court more than he wants to.
CP3 will be fine and I doubt he will shoot this cold again. It’s almost like he was surprised to see open looks again! I really believe we need to involve Nick Young more. That dude can shoot! The game was within reach until about three minutes left – we simply missed a ton of open shots and they made theirs, no shame in that. Look for better defense on their three point shooters and the old “fool’s gold” axiom to bite the Spurs in the ass. Remember, they lost by over 20 points to a Kobe-less Faker team on their home floor at full strength and got blasted by thirty against Portland. Keep pjnching them and they will eventually hit the deck.
Actually, the game that the Spurs lost to Portland, Tim, Tony, and Manu did not even make the trip.
And after the loss to the Lakers, the Spurs turned around and blew them out twice in the same week.
They have won 15 in a row, and have lost only 2 games in the last 30.
Listen , you are giving coach Pop too little credit. He made adjustments after each quarter , compared to vinny making zero adjustments. Pop is going to eat your “coach” alive.
Pop is a hall of famer, so all props in the world to him. How many coaches in the NBA can even compare to him right now? Only one and he’s sitting in Montana or someplace, right? Thibideau, maybe? Rivers? Vinnie isn’t working with a four time champion core of players last time I checked and his team just finished a war with the dirtiest and nastiest team in the league (who mauled the coach of the year’s Spurs out in the first round last year, incidentally). The Clippers came out and showed promise, which is more than we can say for that other team with a “greatest ever” candidate and two all-star seven footers, no? I’ve been a fan for almost 30 years and have never been so optimistic!
Dude, get off this blog and get on the San Antonio site. We know you got a great veteran team of future hall of famers. Too bad you cant beat father time ! Enjoy it while you can, because just like an old prize fighter eventually gets his ass kicked, so will the Spurs!
Hellz to the YEAH, Al!!!
Bledsoe is your wild card Coach V.D.N. and your team has to prevent Spurs from converting their own rebounds as I see it. Excited about game 2. See you on Thursday!
I know that this may sound unreasonable in several ways but…
I fear that if the Clippers do well in the series, VDN will be back next season… and I wouldn’t be able to stand that…
It’s a weird place to be…
I know that Olshey has done a excellent job, I mean, the guy knows basketball and I know he knows that VDN is no good. So far he has been able to handle Sterling and making call the right things, pulling the strings fromt he backstage. BUT, if there is a single possibility that VDN cause an impression and Serling going mad and giving him a new contract, I rather not take that chance.
Griffin injury is clearly bothering him, I don’t want to give a chance of aggravate it and I wanted him to be given a chance to play for the Olympic team, it would be a terrific experience for him, he would learn a lot and from the best. As the other youngsters that went there, just like Gordon, I think he would grow and step up his game.
After all that happened this year, all the frustrations, I expect Griffin to use that as a motivation to come better next season, in a “shut up haters” fashion. I don’t know if he will do, but a new coach that knows how to play him will certainly help – look what happened with Rose. If Griffin can’t step up and prove haters wrong in the next couple of years, I will low my expectation on him and conform myself with the fact that he didn’t live up to what he could become. But I really think that next season is a decision time, because of the contract, because of CP3′s contract, the Clips future and because great players play better after a bad season so if he can’t do it, he is not that great, it’s harsh but also true.
the dude did a 360 windmill dunk during warmups of game 7…but he wants to say the injury is bothering him?
he won’t take responsibility for his inadequacies, blaming the refs, blaming injuries… with that mindset he will never get better.
dude is shawn kemp of the 2010s….hes a celebutante not a warrior.
how many consecutive games will he be outrebounded by the guy he’s supposed to be boxing out?
P-u-s-s-y – he aint got no alibi
I’ll agree with you that Blake was dumb for doing the 360 dunk during warmups on his knee, but he’ll get better this offseason. He needs to seek out Shaq, Hakeem, or Kareem and develop some post moves. He also needs to work with a shooting coach to fix his jumpshot and freethrow motions so he can improve his freethrows. He’s doing better on defense but he needs to learn the fundamentals of rotating.
Yeah, Blake is just so horrible for his SECOND year in the NBA. Cuz, you know, Shaq and Hakeem and Kareem won titles in THEIR second years. Oh wait…
I didn’t say he was horrible. He has shown signs of regression. I have taken into account that he’s only played his second year but it is his 3rd year in the league. I’ve said it all year long that he relies too much on his athleticism. He needs to develop an old man game to maximize his athletic gifts and keep the defense honest.
I agree with the boxing out part, not just Blake but DJ as well, they won’t get many rebounds by just trying to out jump opponents.
It was stupid of him doing that and in a way I also agree, once you do that, you have no excuses for not playing.
It’s also true that if he doesn’t change, he won’t get nowhere, but he is stopping whining, I don’t know if somebody talked to him, but since Game 7 he has not been doing this complaining routine. The point is that that is out of frustration not his true character.
So this part where you diminish him I can’t agree, he is only a sophomore and as I said, with somewhere in the future he can’t bounce back, then I will agree that he didn’t live up to his potential, but now? It doesn’t make sense.
And who would be your replacement choice?
Jeff Van Gundy, Jerry Sloan, Nate McMillan, Stan Van Gundy (if he gets fired). There are too many good coaches available right now.
You could also make a case for Larry Brown, but I don’t know, not my first option..
I’m not so sure about SVG, not a big fan of him, but certainly a step up from VDN.
I like McMillan, Jeff Van Gundy and Sloan, I hope it’s one of them. Hopefully they will do that as soon as the Playoffs ends – or as soon as it ends for the Clips. Because they have some FA to go after.
Jerry Sloan, not a chance he’ll coach again, period. Stan Van Gundy, are you serious? Throw up three pointers and lose by 30 when they don’t fall? How did it go for MacMillan in Portland, again? And with talent lots of pundits predicted might go to the finals? Puh-leeze! Coax Phil Jackson out of retirement and I’ll listen.
Vinnie takes eight players who have never played together (two of which were acquired mid season!) and not only finishes with the best winning percentage in our history, but beats a Memphis team “nobody wanted to play” in a 7th game IN THEIR HOUSE, and manages to hang with the almighty Spurs on their home floor until the end after they come off a nine day rest? Really? Did Scott Brooks take the Thunder to the finals yet despite having the NBA’s scoring champion three years running and the most explosive point guard in the league? Let’s get some perspective, people!
Remember 3 years ago when the Blazers went through all their injuries? The Blazers lost the most games due to player injury with something like 300+ games lost. During practice, McMillan blew out his achilles practicing with the team because there were not enough bodies to run drills with. McMillan got th eBlazers to 50+ wins practically every year since he was there despite all the injuries the team went through and the drama of Greg Oden being in and out and with Brandon Roy’s knees. That’s why I want McMillan. He knows how to coach.
Plus, Phil Jackson is a no because if he installs the triangle, he will destroy CP3′s career just like every other point guard who has been in the triangle offense.
yeah, we are arguing against somebody with no knowledge just throwing words.
McMillan did miracles with that rotten Blazers, he stayed competitive despite all the injuries that plagued that team season after season. They were the OKC before OKC, a very promising young talented team. Losing not only Oden, but Roy, you have to look at his playoff record considering the circumstances, it’s stupid to just look at stats and throw words like they mean something.
You lost your argument when you started defending VDN
Jeff Van Gundy’s Rockets never made it through the first round in playoff even with TMac and Yao on their heydays. The same is true for Nate McMillan’s Trailblazers.
Stan Van Gundy has a terrible relationship with his star players, and his sideline antics is borderline clown-ish.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Jerry Sloan will be the best fit for Clippers offense and defense.
JVG had more to work with than McMillan for the Blazers.
lets be honest we’re completely overwhelmed and outmatched….
blake looks lost out there
Yeah, just like against the Grizzlies…
Lol, just don’t feed this guy. He’s doing it on purpose. He had this exact post, word for word, from the previous series.
Thanks, Rich, I’m new here and will learn. Promise.
Spurs shot the lights out, Duncan couldn’t miss. We just played a tough series with no time to prepare. The guys aren’t making excuses, but to say we were overwhelmed is an exaggeration. We were able to get good looks and made some nice steals and blocks. Just clean up the glass and guard Duncan better!
3 pt defense. This isn’t the memphis grizz but we need to take some plays out of there book. Grizz would fly out to the wings. We need that. Second we need to make line change and start bledsoe. Foye isn’t getting his set shots so he cnat make the 3s. 3rd reggie evans need to get more mins. We got killed on the boards. No boxing out at all. Lastly put blake or k mart on duncan. Dj can’t hang with mr. Fundametals. He is gonna torch dj. 4th put sonic on manu. Don’t even let manu get the ball. He is a playmaker a good one too. Mainly box out. The game could have gone our way if we didn’t let so many second chance pts. We can lock down on defense but when u play that good defense make sure it doesn’t go to waste and get the rebound
Ok, fine, MacMillan got 50 win, and then what? WCF’s? Um, no. VDN made playoffs with Chicago and had same results. Honestly, Sloan would be ideal as he coached a CP3/Blake clone in Utah with Stockton and Malone. However, ne’s getting old and hasn’t expressed interest in returning to coaching. Either Van Gundy makes me cringe. I’d be willing to open my mind to Duke’s Coach K, perhaps, but outside that I say give VDN another year with this bunch to see what he can do. I often fantasize about getting Superman for Diondre/Mo/Foye(?) and bludgeoning our way to a title and not even VDN could screw that up, no?
Dont we all fantasize that Orlando will give up the best center in the league for those 3 players.
Unless Jerry Sloan or Phil Jackson want to coach the clippers Vinny will stay the coach. Most successful team in franchise history does not = firing coach.
if VDN stays the Clips are doomed, goodbye CP3, that’s for sure.
it’s such an ugly basketball that is hard to watch, even with the HL and dunks. for me, W is more entertaining and important than HL, and you need some consistency to get some W, which the Clippers does not have.
another thing, it’s quite the opposite, the team record just shows how much better this could team could be under a decent coach, that’s it, not the other way around. they are winning on talent alone, imagine if they had a decent coach? the more the reason they don’t renew with him, this team is clearly underachieving.
Do I need to tell you like I tell Tim? VDN had a good team in Chicago that got to a .500 record in his two years in a weak eastern conference. I know Derrick Rose was only a rookie and sophomore the two years VDN were there. However, it is no coincidence that once Thibs got there and coached that the Bulls got to the #1 seed two years running and had one of the top 5 defensive ratings in the league. Plus VDN did a ton of questionable things in Chicago like overplay Noah with his plantar fasciitis. He also did the same thing he’s doing with CP3 that he did with Rose in Chicago by letting them go isolation 1 on 5 at the end of games. That is why the offense becomes so predictable when plays break down. McMillan got his Blazers teams to 50+ wins DESPITE all the injuries they had. How are you going to expect a team destroyed by injuries to make it very far in the playoffs? Case in point, the Bulls this year. They did not stand a chance once Noah got hurt because their defensive anchor was lost. Before Noah got hurt, I thought the Bulls had enough to beat the Sixers and advance. With the team at full strength, the Sixers would have gotten swept or at most lost in 5 games. The Magic played much better without Dwight Howard down the stretch. However, once you’re in the playoffs and teams can dial in on your strengths and weaknesses, it’s not on the coach because the talent on the roster isn’t good enough. SVG is a good coach and it’s proven how he took a superstar in D12 with a bunch of crappy role players to the Finals in 2009. It’s just like how Mike Brown did it with Lebron and the Cavs in 2007. Pay attention to these details.
Clips4, I like how you try to throw me under the bus. Look, you still have to own your comments, and I don’t want to go down the laundry list of lame comments and ideas you’ve come up with. I will say this for myself, I try to stay positive with regards to the clippers, and you tend to be negative, that plus you tend to be a little irrational, and that pretty much sizes up the argument. For example, you and Bong think Gay and Sessions are top 5, and I have a compelling argument that differs. You tend to hype up the opponent, and I hype up the players we have on our roster.
Tim, I never said Sessions is a top 5 PG. I went over this with my roommate last night and think he’s 14-13. I’ll list out every starting PG and rank them by the order I think they go: Note that if you average out Curry’s production with his availability on the court, he is pretty much average. If he could produce what he gives for 80% of the season, he would easily be a top 10 PG
2) Derrick Rose
3) Tony Parker
4) Rajon Rondo
5) Deron Williams
6) Russell Westbrook
7) Steve Nash
8) Ty Lawson
9) Ricky Rubio
10) Mike Conley
11) Kyle Lowry
12) Kyrie Irving
13) Jrue Holiday
14) Jose Calderon
15) John Wall
16) Ramon Sessions
17) John Wall
18) Stephen Curry (He’s here because he is always hurt)
19) Brandon Jennings
20) Jarret Jack
21) Jason Kidd
22) Isaiah Thomas
23) Darren Collison
24) Brandon Knight
25) Darren Collison
26) Raymond Felton
27) Jameer Nelson
28) Devin Harris
29) Jeff Teague
30) Mario Chalmers
Ty Lawson is #8 for me
I think I recall you saying, he must not be bad, because a few years ago we were interested in his services or something along those lines. Even the experts who thought the Lakers had made a nice move, are now backing away from the Sessions project. Derek Fisher might still be the better option at the point for that team than Ramon. At least Fisher can defend, and make a clutch shot here or there. Sesssions is a big fat zero! Sessions better than John Wall, better than Teague, and Collison? No,no, no! Even grand dad Kidd is still better than Sesh.
Jason Kidd in his prime was better than Sessions. Jason Kidd now is a shell of who he used to be. Sessions is a better shooter and a better pick and roll player. Kidd lacks the lateral quickness to be able to run the offense anymore as a starter. Fisher can’t run an offense and gets killed running the pick and roll against other guards. The only thing Fish has on Sessions is that he can hold his own against post-up guards. Get stuff together, Tim.
Since you’re new here, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt but study up on your facts before you come attack me. Don’t turn into Tim.
I would NEVER attack you, Clips4! And the points you make are all valid. However, I’m just trying to point out that the grass always looks greener until we walk out on it and step in dog poop. VDN has made some mistakes, but so do all coaches. Phil Jackson’s Fakers got SWEPT by the Mavs last year, after all. Thibs had Rose in the game when unneccesary and he blew out his knee and won’t be back until next year. Van Gundy was replaced by Riley and the Heat won a title. VDN is playing with a banged up roster with no rest and his team was within eight well into the fourth quarter! Contrast that to the Fakers being down by 35 half way through the third quarter with Mr. Superstar and two seven foot all-stars. Griffin is a second year player, for gawd’s sake, and most of our roster hasn’t been in the playoffs before.
You can’t say Thibs had Rose in unnecessarily in the game when the Clips came back down from 27 points to beat the Grizz in game one. The Lakers last year getting swept by the Mavs is not so much a product of the coach as it is the arrogance of the players. Phil Jackson has 11 rings for a reason. As for the Clips, yes DJ, Blake, Foye, and Bledsoe had no postseason experience before this year. However, K-Mart has been to the finals twice, Chauncey is still there coaching being a former Finals MVP with his own ring, CP3 has plenty of playoff experience as does Reggie Evans. Blake and DJ need to work on their post games this summer and also improve their freethrow shooting. Blake MUST remove that ugly hesitation hitch from his freethrow motion.
No arguments here, except that the Chicago game was definitely in hand before Rose went down. There was, what, two minutes left and the Bulls were up by 12? Far different scenario than the Clippers coming back. Reggie Evans won’t be a factor in this series like he was in Memphis, and his playoff “experience” was mostly from the bench. Kmart, ok, I’ll give you that; however, it’s hardly like having Kobe, Pau, Bynum, and Artest.
Look, all I can comment on is what’s in front of me. And that is the Clippers in the second round, with Memphis vanquished and the Clips competing hard against the team with the best record in basketball. Griffin and Paul are hurt. Diondre Jordan isn’t making much of an impact. We got off more shots than the Spurs, which is pretty remarkable, and were within 8 in the 4th quarter. Chris Paul has a better game and it could have turned out differently. VDN isn’t Phil Jackson, but who is? He’s got his players competing well every night and has taken our team into territory we’re not used to. I’m going to enjoy every minute and not sit back bashing VDN while 22 other coaches are sitting at home watching along with me.
I have been fortunate enough to coach young kids in basketball the better part of the last 20 years at our local park and in various travel leagues. It’s hard work, and I can’t even imagine what it’s like to have to harness the incredible talent the NBA offers and get it all the way to a championship. Lionel Hollins put it best when he said, “Is this season a bust? If winning a title is the standard, then every team but the champion is a bust.” Let’s try to resist the temptation to bash and nitpick VDN when our energies can be directed toward cheering him and our wonderful Clips onward!
it’s the playoffs, you are dumb if you overlook a possible double digit comeback in the last 2 min of the game, it has happened before time and time again. Thibodeau has always played this way and so did coaches like Phil Jackson, that let MJ late so he could close the game. He rested Rose for the most of the 4Q and let him in by the 7 or 6 min mark so he could close the game. I also was thinking that he should have taken him out, but nonetheless what he did can’t be said to be wrong. If he did take Rose out and they lost then what? You would criticize him for taking Rose out when he should have won the game? It’s part of the game, there is no IF, it could have happened 2 min before or in the start of the next game, that’s not something that you control or you can say for sure. It’s stupid to debate this kind of IF.
You are not getting it man, the problem with VDN is not about NOW, about Playoffs. It’s not even about losing. It’s just awful the Clippers plays even when they win. It’s ugly basketball, just ISO, CP3′s ISO or Blake’s ISO, there is no other play! I can’t stand the no ball movement, no correct rotation in defense, bad and ugly help defense, half-asset screens set by the big men, nothing that optimises anyone’s game, Butler being used as a catch and shoot, stagnant offense waiting for someone get hot – sometimes is Foye, sometimes is Mo, sometimes is Butler and yesterday was Bledsoe. Not even pick and roll have been used anymore!
There is no flow to the game, players don’t move and don’t rotate well! When they ISO, basically always, players stay still waiting for something to happen, there is not cuts which leads to poor spacing and cluttered paint, which closes driving lanes and makes it harder for Griffin, consequently it makes easier to DT him. The way plays have been called, Griffin is always in a bad position to pass the ball and he is an above average passer, as players stand still, it’s easier for the opponent defender help DT ou TT Blake.
If I can notice all of this, opponent’s coaches can see a lot more than this. Blake is a sophomore but the only thing that VDN is making for him is making Griffin’s life miserable instead of the other way around. By running only one play, it’s harder to Griffin to score and even so, he had been pretty efficient, but he has to hustle much more for every bucket. With no more plays for him than the ISO you don’t really gets Blake involved. As a coach you should be drawing plays and encouraging him to stay aggressive, but no, since the break, VDN has slowly taking Blake’s game and giving all the power to CP3. Ok, CP3 is awesome but this is the wrong way of giving him power, because you end up with CP3 handling and holding the ball much longer than he should, because there is no plays, CP3 keeps trying to figure something out, running screen after screen.
Blake is already frustrated with all the scrutiny of being under the microscope, the hard fouls, non-calls, etc. which he needs to get over it but VDN is certainly not helping him. He is a good passer and very good at sneaking off his defender off the ball and none of this have been used as an advantage in the plays. Which is odd since I watch tons of that last season so why is VDN not using this instead of just bunch of ISO? One could argue that with the Clippers becoming better, opponents are paying more attention and defending better but then I would respond that by not drawing more than 2 ISO plays you are not helping either. As a coach you should tutor and help this talented sophomore, not make his life harder to this point.
The consequence of not getting Griffin going is that it makes it harder for everybody else os this is a looping and a bad one. Poor spacing, ball movement and player rotation makes it harder for Blake and when he doesn’t get it going it becomes harder for the others to get easy looks which makes garder for Griffin and so on. Griffin’s hesitation doesn’t help at all but as a coach you need to support him to stay aggressive, even if shots are not falling. Part of that hesitation is clearly about this. Griffin has not been having the same support he had last season and with his role been diminished that doesn’t help in his confidence too, with so many new vets with plenty of Playoff experience, Blake has end up playing without the swagger that he needs to play.
Part of that is his own fault, because you need to step up, but as he doesn’t it on his own, it’s your job as a coach to keep supporting him and making him stay involved. But VDN has not been doing that! ISO is the worst possible play to a player gain confidence, you clearly see than when Griffin get it going by himself he breaks out and have an outstanding game and when he doesn’t get it going there is no plays from VDN to try to get him going. They run CP3 most of the times and just when things get worse, nothing is clicking they pass to Blake and when THAT doesn’t work the solution becomes CP3 doing it by himself. Tell me, how can this be good? How is it possible to keep VDN?
Blake needs to learn to ask for the ball and say “I got it” but he is just a sophomore, if CP3 didn’t get to the Clippers and it was just Blake and Gordon, I think that Griffin would naturally make that transition, but suddenly he is surrounded by vets and the coach doesn’t support him as much as he did the other season, when they made plays for him late in the game and now it’s just give the ball to CP3. He feels like he doesn’t have room for error at all and that he would end up sounding selfish for asking for the play. The more for demanding another coach, one that helps the young guys get it going!
With all this I don’t know how can anybody still want to keep VDN and give him another chance. Just a reminder, next season is the last year of CP3′s contract, he will not come back if it’s VDN. CP3 is above average when it comes to basketball IQ I’m pretty sure that he knows all of this, I mean, the whole team knows. It’s simply frustrating to know what this roster is capable of if they had a proper coach. I wished that I could be all wrong and that somebody could make me believe otherwise but that would simply not be reality.
Again, not going to argue with you point for point, but come on, NO training camp, NO preseason, EIGHT new players, SHORT and TRUNCATED SEASON! How on earth can you expect all these highly technical skill plays to be practiced thousands of times and honed when you’re playing back to back to backs in a compressed schedule? Popovich has the luxury of core players and a system he’s developed over many years! Blake is a 2nd year player thrown into a compressed season, forced to battle a dirty foe in the playoffs and hurt on top of all that. CP3 is loving where he’s at; a major market with a general manager making great moves (Elgin Baylor, anyone?), and a young coach who can learn a lot and develop into a good X and O’s guy over time. He definitely has the people skills to keep the roster motivated.
I’m just not ready to throw in the towel on a guy who’s still in the 2nd round of the playoffs. If that doesn’t convince you to at least consider giving him another year, I have nothing more to offer.
VDN had zero coaching experience prior to his first year with the Bulls. He needs to be an assistant under some of the best coaches in the league to learn the X’s and O’s from them before he can think about becoming a head coach again. Out of all the coaches left in the playoffs, VDN is clearly head and shoulders the worst.
Agreed. I think that we have nothing personal nor we think that VDN is an idiot or a jerk, it’s just that he is not talented enough to do that right off the bat, he should do step by step, learn the game, start as an assistent, etc. Because right now it’s not working and it has not been in the last 4 years. He seems good enough to coach a average team, but when a high level of coaching is need he simply doesn’t have what it takes, that’s it. Everything he run is just too basic for a high level game.
Ian, you make valid points with regards to Del Negro. The people you argue against are forgetting that the roster that Thibs took to the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row had been playing together for 3 years. Look at San Antonio, the core of their team has been together since forever. Its easy to have a 3rd and 4th option to the offense, when you have 3 guys who know exactly what everyone else is going to do, instinctively. Give Vinny this talented core, for 3 or 4 years, and you’ll see these guys with 3 or 4 options with each offensive set as well. This years cast has 3 new starters, its still going to take time for the chemistry and force of past knowledge. Plus players are starting to emerge, like Bledsoe, and Young, and players are slipping like Foye, so the make-up changes, all for a team that has barely even played a season together. Scott Brooks is not a great coach, but look at his roster. No one is running that guy out of town, but Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, the Van Gundy’s, and what’s his name from Portland are all sitting at home. Why does Brooks get to keep his job and watch as his players get better, and why does Vinny have to get fired?
Look at this year then. Boozer was hurt half the season last year and was finally healthy this year. Rose was in and out of the lineup and Rip Hamilton was added. The Bulls still ran up the #1 seed in the east. You can’t use that excuse for VDN.
Oh, and let’s not forget that Sloan coached for a hundred years in Utah and made the finals only ONCE, despite having arguably the greatest pure point guard and power forward in NBA history. And lost.
He got to the finals only once because the west was always the harder conference to get through. In terms of comparison to MJ, there was no A+ superstar in the West. Every superstar in the west was a B+ to A- player. That’s how hard it was to get through. Sloan made the playoffs every year and did well. His record as a coach speaks for itself along with his longevity there. He’s advanced through multiple rounds of the playoffs before. VDN is a chump compared to Sloan.
Renato, and Clips4, you guys keep banging on Vinny, and its really not fair. He had zero time to prepare this new roster, but he obviously knows how to motivate and get guys to play. Sure, his system isn’t great, and yes this is a different day and age than the past, but some teams can be great even with a questionable system. The Lakers of the 80′s come to mind. All they did was run and gun, and the throw it down to Kareen in the post for hook shot all night. A simple system won championships, see? Yes they had some defense, but that team was together forever, with a few pieces added here and there. Vinny’s method will work with time and more talent. The defense will be even better next year with more chemistry. Patience people.
The Showtime Lakers competed for a championship when Magic was a rookie. The same year that Kareem got hurt with an ankle injury and Magic played the center spot.
You guys are not really talking about fairness you are just giving excuses and lowering the bar for him and raising it for others, if that’s how it is, then you are right, if excuses are the new standard, there is nothing in the world that can beat that.
talk about VDN coaching skills, what plays he run, what works on Clips offense, how he do the defensive rotation, help defense, etc. show that you know anything about that, if not you just lost the argument by default, anyone, anyone that know a bit about basketball can tell how bad and limited VDN is, as I said before, I appreciate his effort, I don’t dislike him, but he is no good. He only run 2 plays basically and if I know it, any coach in the league knows it.
McMillan coached the Blazers as if he was coaching the Clips without CP3 and Blake, after that successful season, they were plagued by injuries, which included Roy’s knee problem, but the worst part is that it wasn’t just him, they kept having injuries to the point that they didn’t have 8 guys to play and ask the league permission to have more than 15 players under contract because half of them were injured.
So unless you can give a decent and real point, you just sound like a kid saying nonsense with no base for arguments, just throwing words.
So, your point is that with no training camp, preseason, eight new players, and a history of losing culture that stretches back 30 years, VDN should develop a highly efficient offense to rival the one Popovich has crafted over the last 16 seasons? And the fact MacMillan had a few successful seasons with injuries makes him an ideal candidate to take over for a coach who is currently in the 2nd round of the playoffs against the best team in the NBA? Wow.
that’s your answer? what you read is that I’m demanding VDN to be like Pop? seriously? I’m not asking for anything like that, if VDN could deliver an average result I would be happy, but it’s just too much of a contrast. every team had to deal with no training camp and no preseason, and there were tons of other teams with new pieces, they didn’t have the same talent as the Clips, but they were playing better basketball though.
and that’s what you got from the McMillan thing – instead of a coach capable of managing well his players and being able to make adjustments when needed*?
*basically all the Clippers need right now
you seem to have a problem with text interpretation, I think you only see what you want. it’s clearly not the coach that brought them here, but quite the opposite, this team players are fighting on talent alone and could be doing much better if they had a bit of help from a decent coach.
again, you seems to see and understand only what you want, becoming blind for everything else, therefore it became a waste of time arguing with you any further and I don’t think you will get any smarter, so just good luck. Hopefully the Clippers will be fortunate enough to get a better coach.
So, if I’m reading you correctly, you believe having Nate MacMillan (or another coach, maybe Van Gundy) would have the Clippers doing better against the number one team in the entire league. In game one after a bruising seven game series, and on the road, no less. That’s delusional, to say the least. Why be so negative? The Clips are among the top eight teams left playing! Is VDN perfect? Or even close? Heck no. But to say he hasn’t done a decent job under the circumstances is simply blind.
MacMillan and Van Gundy are sitting home watching. Thibs, too. Phil Jackson, it should be remembered, did NOT win the NBA title his first year in Chicago, despite having MJ. Doug Collins NEVER even GOT to the finals with Chicago and I remember everyone screaming for his head back then. He is now a couple games from beating Boston and advancing the the ECF’s! Let’s support our coach, team, and band together, man!
No, I’m not talking about the situation NOW per se, about Spurs in the semis. I’m talking about the whole season, which end up with what we have now and it’s not about being negative at all, I tried to cheer for VDN and as I said, I don’t dislike him, I actually like his effort.
But I can’t stand watch ugly basketball* and by mid season he already proved that he was not capable of getting the most out of this team. After that losing streak, the team started to win, but the basketball stayed ugly. That miserable feeling of being up by double-digit lead and that feeling that the easy W would slip away, which happened time and time again. So that by the end of the 4Q, you flip a coin cheering for CP3 do something. Inconsistent game after inconsistent game, so much talent and plays all over the place, it’s hard to watch, even with W. Last season they had better ball movement, more team play, less ISO, they had injuries and “rookie mistake” type of TO, but it was easier to watch.
*I already explained what ugly basketball is for me
It’s incredible frustrating to now to watch Clippers games and it will be unbearable the possibility of repeating this next season. So why risk it when you can get better coaches? I understand the thing of giving him a chance, but so far he has not made a case for himself and unfortunately, with Blake and CP3 contract ending next season it’s not the time to risk that either.
So I don’t understand why you keep thing thing on VDN, arguing and trying to make points for him and when it comes to the other coaches you simply brought up the fact that they are not in the Playoffs now as if that would deny any other argument about the subject, as if that is the ultimate answer, completely disregarding the circumstances of why they were not able to accomplish certain things.
You get it? I will answer if you are still trying to understand what I’m saying but this conversation of just explanations is becoming very unproductive, I have to say.
Cp3 doesn’t have his worst game of the playoffs we would have won this game. Their is no chance Paul goes out and plays like that again, so the spurs should be worried that the series is tied up when the clippers go back to LA.
Too bad Griffin isn’t right. I had a feeling this was going to be his breakout series! This is his time to school the fundamentalist! But, Duncan can hit a 15 footer with ease now, we could only hope Blake learns that he’s going to have to do the same of he wants to be the best!
I found it interesting that Pop and Vinny used the same defensive strategy. Shut down the point guard and make the rest of your team beat you. Which seemed the thing to do seeing as how the point guards are the key to both teams offense.
It kind of worked. Both Parker and Paul had less than impressive offensive numbers ie points and assists. In fact they were almost equal.
The difference was the rest of the players on the teams. The Spurs players made the plays when needed, the Clippers did not. The Clippers did show signs of fatigue, where the Spurs were well rested and after they shook off the rust in the first half, they were able to get back to their usual rhythm.
The difference is spurs have another offensive playmaker in manu. He was the difference
couldn’t bledsoe be OUR Manu?
Make Manu go right ! Neal and Green suck as slashers, make them slashers and cut their shots off! No DeMote ! keep playing like you did in the first half DJ!
See what happens when Nick Flynt and his two-hand waves leave ClipperNation!!
Where’s Demote Deandre today? Oh, that’s right! the guy was about to get 20+ boards for the night, when vdn decided to yank him for the night!
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