Folks, we’re coming on at about 3:30p PT today to collect some nuggets from the postgame pressers.
Things are running a little slowly at Staples. We’ll need about 10 more minutes. So, 3:40p PT start now.
Can we assume the VDN era is likely over???
After tonight’s game, I don’t think there’s a question. He’ll be coaching for his job Game 4.
First things first. I did not expect us to win this series. Best hope was 2 wins and be competitive. Especially with CP3′s injury. However, today’s loss was inexcusable. It wasn’t just that they blew a 24 point lead. But they lost it by – what – 3 min to go in the 3rd?
I’ve been weary to rip on Del Negro this year. Especially considering the packed schedule, lack of practice time and injuries. However, today’s game was a horrible coaching performance. The substitutions or lack of substitutions were horrible. Nick Young didn’t return till 7 or 6 min left in the 4th??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You’ve blown a 24 point lead. He’s 3-5 or maybe even 3-4 is one of the ONLY PLAYERS who can create his own shot and you wait 18 min to bring him back in in the second half? Same for Bledsoe. Why did he wait so long. Terrible, terrible, terrible.
It’s clear that Oshey is not a fan. He made the obvious after the team’s game 7 win in Memphis where they won because even Vinny realized he should have kept the second unit in the game. This after they blew game 6 because of HIS subs. If the Clips lose tomorrow night I hope this is the ammunition he has to convince Sterling he’s got to go.
This team needs a more experienced X and O’s coach to succeed on this level. The Spurs are a very good team, but they are not world beaters.
I’ll be at tomorrow night’s game. And if it turns out like this? I’ll be leading in or joining the FIRE VINNY chants. Be vocal Clipper Nation. The team has to take a big step next season if CP3 is gonna stay.
On a side note, at least Blake will be ready to play big minutes for Team USA. That’s one silver lining, right?
Sorry, meant to note that Young was 3-4 or 3-5 in the first half.
i agree with u nick young is the x factor in this series he should play more dj fister and u guys do u agree?? damn vdn
Thank God somebody else has confirmed that many people have been thinking and knowing for a long time that bad coaching is the biggest obstacle for Clippers to move forward..
For example, Why force to have CP on the floor for the most of the game when he can’t do anything, can’t score nor he could penetrate the Spurs defense all game long, why not realize earlier that the your bigs who can’t shoot FT’s can’t be on the floor if GP of the Spurs is pulling ” shag attacK” on your players?
exactly doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out if chris paul is not msking shot sinve hes not 100percent and is hurting the team at least put in bledsoe and nick young
I would wholeheartedly disagree with your assumption that the Spurs are not world beaters. Depending on how things play out, they could easily rank as one of the best teams of the decade, if not the quarter century.
This Spurs team? No way.
I’ve been very vocal about VDN through out the year. But I also always said that I don’t dislike him or anything, he is in fact a hard working guy, just not good enough.
So I think that been swept or losing 4×1 IF the Clippers can get a W is enough for him, I would not go as far as chanting to fire him or anything like, it’s not like he has been a jerk, hating is also a bandwagon type of hype, I’m not fond of any type of hype.
I would just stay classy and let him go.
of course I would go crazy if Olshey or Sterling brings him back next season, but for now, the L is enough.
Sick to my stomach right now. Not even sure how we blew such a big lead so fast – just incredible!
throughout this series i have not seen much pentration and draw foul why is that? spurs diesnt seem like a shotblock comon they old for god sake
Wow! VDN did some of the worst coaching I have EVER seen in the third and he got gamed in the 4th with the Reggie Evans free throw debacle. Couldn’t he anticipate that the Spurs were going to do the hack a Reggie thing? They had only done it every game.
The game was lost in the third though. Even with Chris Paul playing terrible again the Clippers should have won this game except for the inexcusable lack of subs in the third.
Randy Foye is horrible but VDN LOVES him for some reason. He left Foye and Butler (who was aweful as well) out there for what seemed like the whole third while Bledsoe and Young sat! WHY? They were out scored 24-0 and you leave that lineup intact??????????
That should be an instant firing. VDN is just plain stupid. He proved it today; hopefully for the next to last time I ever have to watch him on the sidelines.
Not calling a timeout during a 24-0 run is a fireable offense. Same with leaving Reggie Evans in for what, 4 straight fouls? Can’t save your timeouts for the bar after the game.
Yep, he should be gone
Who here thinks VDN should start ERIC BLEDSOE??
and who will give some energy off the bench in his place? that’s not really how it works.
That’s been Mo Williams’ role all season.
and how is that working against the Spurs? it’s not, so by moving Bledsoe to the starting line up what are you going to get off the bench? the Spurs are pretty deep, if you let a weak bench against their bench, Pop will make you pay there. that’s why I’m saying, it’s not as simple as that, you are covering one hole and opening another, in the end it will be the same result.
it’s not the pieces, it’s the system, it’s about knowing how and when to use some guy, when to use Bledsoe, those first 5 or 6min of the game were not the problem of the game at all! so you can use Bledsoe whenever you want even off the bench, so tell me, how is that changing anything? it is not.
moving Bledsoe to the starting line up won’t solve anything, that’s what I’m saying.
But, honestly, the way things have been going this series, something needs to change, but I understand your point
but should Bledsoe just be used more often then? he doesn’t need to move to the starting line up, that won’t make such a difference and if you think about it. the only time being a STARTER matter, those first 5 or 6 min of the game, they played pretty well. so, it’s not about being a starter or not, the problem is deeper than that.
Yeah, I guess I agree with you there. Let Bledsoe come off the bench, but play starter minutes(30-35).
No disrespect towards CP3, but it’s clear he’s hurting bad. Vdn is definitely out of his element.
chis Paul 100% Blake griffen 100% what’s ur series prediction?
I would still say the Spurs win in 6 games if CP3 and Blake were 100% because they run a system and are well disciplined. VDN’s “system” is CP3 which makes him look brilliant when they win because CP3 masks almost every one of VDN’s weaknesses. The Spurs overall are the better team and Olshey can only hope to mirror the Spurs model by hiring a competent coach to come in next year. Nate McMillan FTW!!!
so you adopted the McMillan too? hehe…
Ever since McMillan got fired from Portland, I personally hoped and declared him the next LAC coach.
but the other day he wasn’t your first option, was he?
I also hoped they would call him, but as he was fired, theoretically he was still under contract so I think until the end of the season, they wouldn’t be able to hire him, that’s why they kept VDN, they wouldn’t be able to get any coach that were fired, other decent coaches were coaching College basketball or retired or doing broadcasting, the assistent coach of VDN didn’t have many fans among players or the management, so they were stuck with VDN.
McMillan was always my first option this season. I like Sloan too but I feel he may be too old and definitely sick of the divas the players of today are. I’m not too familiar with Jeff Van Gundy’s work but know that he couldn’t maximize the talent he had with Yao and T-Mac on the Rockets. I personally like JVG to stick to color commentary on ESPN. He’s the most entertaining guy ESPN has. Lose him and ESPN’s ratings will go down. Phil Jackson is ok as long as he’s not implementing the triangle offense. Other then that, there aren’t any other coaches I think highly enough who I would want to coach the Clips.
This game felt like a roller coaster… 1st half ends and the clipps had me dreaming that we had found the Spurs antidote which was a combination great athleticism and Speed! (blake was the best blake ever!) 2nd qtr begins and i start thinking about tomorrows game thinking ..there’s no way the spurs got it in them! they can afford to throw this game so lets think next game! by the end or the 3rd and having our lead go down to 6 at one point. I was outraged but not on panic mode since i know that lots of teams reach within a few points but usually never get into the hop of actually taking the lead. Ok onto the 3rd QTR.. after a spurs 26-8 run i was screaming put Bledsoe!, Sit Foye! DArn Another miss!!! Fire VDN!! amongst others! 4th qtr! and 7 down which went to 12 later… i had thrown the towel and thinking ‘oh me oh my what the wrench just happened!” What’s next? the fakers tying the series? ARG! FML! #Go Clips!
I saw the score on my phone over lunch a restaurant that unfortunately did not have a TV and I was with some friends and was surprised…. I unfortunately saw it as fool’s gold and had a feeling the Clippers wouldn’t maintain the lead. Low and behold when when I come home to turn on the game in the 4th quarter, the Clips had not only lost the lead but were down by 14.
Nick Young was 1-5 from three range, and since clanking threes almost always leads to long rebounds and easy Spur points. He also attempted some foolishly bad shots from two point range. Young and his second half brick chucking, more than any other single factor, caused this loss.
Del Negro would have been wrong to play him longer. He was even wrong to play young as long as he did.
Young should not come back next year. He swallows up the ball when he gets it and usually chucks up a brick, as he often did today. Occasionally he get hot from the corner but that’s it. The majority of the time he swallows up the ball and throws up bricks. The bad that he does far outweighs his occasional short hot streaks. Most of the time he plays like the second string guard on the second worst team in the NBA that he was before Olshey got him and immeidately named him the Clipper’s starting guard.
Outside of probably Bledsoe, Nick Young is the only other Clipper who can get his own shot that is not CP3 or Blake Griffin. You are an idiot.
it’s scary to know Oshley has not been extended….
After the 5 minute mark of the first quarter, guess how many points DeAndre Jordan got the rest of the game. ZERO.
He made 2 shots in the first 7 minutes (an open shot and a tip in) when the Spurs were still sleepwalking. Then the Spurs woke up and Jordan scored ZIPPP!!!
For the game in total, he got 4 points and 5 rebounds, which in itself is bad. But what’s really bad is what he did after the first 7 minutes.
The main thing the Clippers have to do is to somehow get rid of Jordan and his bungling ineptitude on the court and his cap eating contract.
Olshey likely won’t do that, because he’s a clueless fool who wants to pretend Jordan is good when he’s really terrible.
So the main thing to do then becomes getting rid of Olshey and then hiring a GM who knows basketball and then that guy can get rid of DeAndre DeGiant DeSaster.
Howard is still the best option.
Kamen is probably the second best option out there.
If you want Kaman, you better be his health insurance…..
Yeah, Kaman will get hurt, plus I don’t think he wants to come back.
Kaman will never come back. DeAndre is not getting traded as long as Blake is not locked up. If that happens? Maybe.
I’ve said about DJ flaws and everything, the main thing being his D, which he played better for some stretch.
But there is another thing that people is failing to see, part of this is also about VDN, he is not calling plays for DJ, he can play the pick and roll, try something, get some directions.
He is very young and right now he has no tutor and VDN doesn’t really help, I would trade him if there is a big opportunity, but I have no problem having him for another year with a proper coach and see what he can bring to the table under a more favorable condition.
THANK YOU. Vinny is not a teacher. We need an experienced coach who is going to come in and help make these guys better. Either defensively or offensively. The idea we would keep Vinny when Jerry Sloan or Nate McMillan are available is crazy.
Why not send him to Hakeem or Kareem for the summer? As bad as Diondre was, he does have his moments and you can’t teach height and hops, right? Seven years ago Bynum was in the same predicament and look at him now (and Diondre isn’t half the head case). Unlike Renato, who makes very valid points, I’m not ready to throw in the towel on VDN. I’d be willing to see what he could do with a full training camp and a healthy roster.
CP3 will sign long term as he has the perfect situation here as a Clipper. The Lakers are literally “old” news with too many issues to solve and no cap space to solve them, so he can continue to contend as a Clipper without a maniac like Kobe Bryant firing up 30 shots a game and Baby Bynum shooting off his mouth and being a jerk. I say keep eBled, Young, and Martin along with CP3 and Blake as your core and try to get something for Caron, Mo, Foye, and Diondre. Heck, why not entertain getting Pau Gasol to the Clips as the Fakers fans seem ready to run him out of town after the OKC series? Mo can run the point way better than Sessions.
Heck, even after yesterday’s loss, I’m still loving what I’m seeing. We were up by 24 points on the team that will probably win the NBA title! Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli have played together for one coach for a DECADE. We are in the second round of the playoffs after less than one season!
The other thing also is VDN pulls DJ out for long stretches after he plays well and is active defensively. When he does that, he saps his confidence that when he comes back in, he has completely lost his rhythm. He does that with Young and Bledsoe. VDN has absolutely no idea how to manage minutes and gauge how well players are playing at any moment.
I really expected the Clippers to put up more of a fight. I really wanted to see a Clippers/Lakers conference final–guess I will not get my wish
getting beaten, and getting swept/embarrassed are two different things.
the grizzlies were beaten, but they put up a hell of a fight.
The clippers are just getting embarrassed…the most frustrating thing, is that they do have the talent to compete with the spurs…they might even have the talent to BEAT a team like the spurs…IF they had a good coach.
And therein lies the problem…I really don’t know where to start when it comes to vinny’s defeciencies as a coach…
Chris Paul is a smart player, and I’m sure he realizes that the clippers will get nowhere with vinny at the helm…Paul probably won’t denouce vinny publically, but if management were smart, they would read between the lines…
If vinny stays, there is no way that Paul will resign after next year, and Blake would probably follow paul’s lead and leave too…
After the spurs’ comeback, during a timeout, the camera was on the clippers huddle….and vinny was trying to draw up a play, and I noticed that none of the players were even paying attention…
In conclusion, FU vinny…
Olshey recently refusing to comment on Vinny’s status is speaking volumes. He knows who is on the market, both the big names and the up and comers.
Getting here was a victory in itself. Lets not lose sight of where we were.
Should have won in 6. Should have had home court 1st round.
I agree with you here, Bong. The highlight of the season is that we’ve turned the corner and are not the laughingstock of the NBA anymore. We are on every other teams’ radars and we have a bright future.
That being said, we still won purely based on the talent of the roster. We lost so many games we should have won this year and won so many games we absolutely deserved to lose (i.e. game 1 vs. Memphis). The common denominator in the wins was CP3 being CP3 and losses was VDN being….. VDN. Charlie Widdoes has said all season long that the Clippers’ system of being CP3 is not sustainable all season enough to win a championship nor is it a long-term solution. In a way, I think of it as Lebron James. Lebron was essentially “the system” in Cleveland and the Cavs went as Lebron went. That system was not sustainable and Lebron was ringless as a Cavalier. VDN had two major talents in Rose in Chicago and CP3 on the Clips and the Bulls were a first round exit two years running. CP3 now is better than Rose was his first two years in the league which explains why we got out of the first round and barely.
Yeah, that’s what I’ve been saying all year.
VDN let this be a CP3-centric team, I bet CP3 itself is not happy with that. The CP3-centric team made this a poor ball movement team, CP3 ends up holding and handling too much, the pace gets even slower and not all players plays their best at this pace, that’s why Bledsoe changes the dynamic, he accelerates – but still turn the ball over more than we would like. Butler became a catch and shoot and that killed his mid-range game, which he was a master of, DJ is not part of the offense at all, only when rebounds or get lobs and dunks.
I will stop here since I would be repeating myself from other comments I wrote, but it’s so frustrating to see this talented team under producing so much. But I think that hard lessons are the best if properly learned. It’s better to suffer a bit, to be forced down to earth, even more by a team with all the fundamentals. Next season, with a proper coach, this team will be more mature, they will have scars from this Playoffs and hopefully, they will learn from this.
CP3 age 26, B. Griffin 23, DJ 23, E. Bledsoe 22, the future is bright !!! Everbody works on their game this summer!!! Comeback healthy!!! I’m proud of you Clippers!!! You fought and clawed and went up against a team that has been playinG together over 10 years, Clippers less then a full 82 games!!!
“They play the same whether they’re up 20 or down 20,” Griffin said of the veteran Spurs. “Their communication and rotations are so good. Offensively, they know exactly what they’re going to do in every situation.”
He is basically saying about CONSISTENCY and a proper SYSTEM with proper plays and sets! Both things I’ve been hammering on for VDN this whole year.
That’s why I say, this series against the Spurs was the best series possible for this Clippers team, so they can get scars, so they can mature, so they can understand the importance of fundamentals, so they can learn.
If this was with me, this series would make me ready for the next season, I would be fired up to come next season stronger than ever, this beat would motivate me to come back better and I hope that this is how this young team face this challenge.
as for Griffin, he played well in a game of this series, finally.
28/16/2 with 3 blocks and 2 steals, over 50% from the field and even knocked down both FT. He showed aggression and hustle, something that the injury took off him, scored in almost every way he could and fought hard on the glass.
he played well and he still have a lot of room to grow, hopefully he will get an opportunity to play with the Olympic team, learn from those guys, learn and mature with the experience, just like all the youngster that went there last time – Gordon, Westbrook, etc. those guys came back better. not just that, I hope he can learn a lot from this frustrating season with all the scrutiny, hard fouls, the media and of course, learn from this playoffs scars and come back better next season, full of poise, with a better game, hopefully in a “shut up haters” fashion.
*Griffin needs to train some how-to-score-over-a-big-guy-with-length-101
You can see it coming in flashes when he hits that mid range jumper. Like Gasol can do for the Lakers, but Blake is more explosive and can blow by defenders who come out to challenge it. Or just keep punishing teams who let him take it all game long and either fire it up or pass out if they send someone at him.
I saw things in this game that I was looking for in the previous games. I know that most people will only focus on the 24-0 run and how good of a coach VDN was but that’s just too obvious by now, it’s like beating a dead animal.
I liked how Blake was a lot more aggressive, not just offensively but on the glass as well. DJ defense was a lot better, he wasn’t schooled like he was the other games, he was able to hold his ground when defending Duncan. VDN ran some plays for Foye and Butler in the first half while the shots were falling. VDN let Mo, Foye and Bledsoe handle the ball more even with CP3 on the floor. Although Bledsoe looked a little too desperate running very wild and turning the ball over with bad pass and offensive fouls. There was more ball movement and players moving, that’s something that was missing.
I know some people are getting into Young, I’m big fan of him, even more when he tries some ISOs with fade aways, but this time, although he had 10 shots, I think most of it were shots he should have taken, in catch and shoot situation and in that area, he does what he has to do. He has quick release and doesn’t hesitate, CP3, for instance, passes a lot of shots because I don’t think he likes catch and shoot, I can remember a lot of passes from Griffin in an open 3 situation which CP3 didn’t take, he prefers the shot off dribble, just like Butler, which VDN forced into a catch and shoot.
So there are things that at least were played differently this time, that’s a plus, no matter how the final result was, it was not the same stagnant offense over and over again.
about the 24-0 run:
in part, it looked worse than it was, in a sense that the shots were simply not falling, part of the shots were very makable shots, it was a good offense, the ball was simply not getting in and as that, it was nothing to be done, it happens, it was a very bad timing, but it happens. I’m making this point because I don’t think it would be fair to just say that everything was awful. again, there were not running that stagnant offense, I have less problems in missing shots that the lack of ball movement, same plays over and over, etc.
but that being said, of course, you have to make some stops, that’s what you have to do in order to get your offense going, you may not be able to score every time, but you have to play D every time. I don’t know how VDN simply let that happen, even for him. I mean, 24-0 run? with almost no time outs during the stretch, no substitution. anything to change the dynamics of the game, to catch an air, anything! that was hard to see.
I was previewing 4×0 but wanting a 4×1 for the Spurs before the series started so I still hope this team deserves a victory, part of the blame some people are directing at the players are also because of the lack of system, lack of plays, defense, not just a individual player. although they looked very bad, I think that there was no player that I simply wanted out right now, no one was consistently good, but I can’t say the opposite either. some people will pick on Mo, but he had a decent game this time, some will pick on Butler but he had a 15pts or something game or even Foye. So let’s not get caught in the hating hype now.
as for VDN, I appreciated the effort and hard work, but I hope you don’t come back as a headcoach of the Clippers next season. but as I said there is no need to beat and curse him, he was a bad coach, but he never acted as a jerk or anything like that, the major loss is enough. hopefully there will be a new coach and everybody can get over this without bad blood.
at least the Lakers lost! hahaha… and this was another closer one, that was tense, Durant saved again, clutch 3, big steals, I hope they close the series in the next game.
I know some Lakers stupid fan will want Brown’s head, but with some crucial TO, I can’t call the loss on him. he made a huge adjustment – something we don’t know what it means with VDN – over the GM1, the defense is so much better, the Lakers are playing well, but OKC is playing better, even with the shots not really falling sometimes. It’s definitively not his fault, they would be stupid to not give him a proper training camp and preseason, even more after all the drama with Odom, Gasol, Bynum and the CP3 trade that Lakers fans are yet to get over with, even though they try to pretend they don’t care about the Clippers… hahaha…
The Lakers loss was all on Kobe. He made a lot of tough shots in the 3rd quarter and kept taking shots to heat check and got away from dumping the ball into Bynum and Gasol. Kobe is shooting the Lakers out of this series. Go OKC!!!
that’s the definition of Kobe, shoot to death, that’s why he took so long to win MVP, even when he already deserved it before. I cannot like a guy that does that, I respect him, but I don’t like his game. did you see his interview?? he put all the blame on Gasol TO and saying that Gasol should have take the shot, short memory is bad isn’t it? what did Kobe do in GM2?! before that TO from Gasol, it was Kobe that TO the ball.
in the beginning of last season, Gasol has hot, Bynum was still out and Gasol stepped up his game, taking almost 20 shots a game, 25+ppg, he was shooting 50+% rebounding 10+. then the media started to say Kobe needed to pass the torch, that maybe this was Gasol’s team now, etc. coincidentally, soon after, Gasol’s shot fell to 15 shots a game and Kobe was taking 20 shots, but as it’s Kobe, he was making about 45%. you see, Kobe compete inside the team, just because of his ego, just to prove a point but hurting his team in the process. but it’s also true that something happened, maybe he became demotivated, I don’t know, but since then Gasol has not been the Gasol that helped the Lakers get rings.
anyway, take Durant, when asked about Westbrook taking more shots and sometimes more shots than him, Durant said that that helps Westbrook get going and that he didn’t care, because in the end by having Westbrook going, the team played better. WHEN, WHEN wil Kobe do anything of that sort?! NEVER! EVER!
Although if this was Kobe and his team from 2007, I wouldn’t blame him. The talent on this year’s Lakers team although not as good as the 2010 version is still exponentially better than the one he had in 2007.
Unfortunately, Kobe will get the usual pass and Pau will be the fall guy and probably get traded this summer. Heck, if the Lakers would cover some of his salary, I’d love to have Pau as a Clipper. Kobe is very fortunate to have had Shaq and Phil to get his Championships for him. Too bad he ain’t going to get number six unless he pulls a Shaq/Fisher and signs on with another contender. The Fakers are now in the decline phase and it’s all about the Clippers!
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