We’ll be on around 10:35p PT, everyone.
Tough loss! But I would say it was the best class possible for a young Clippers team. I give the Clippers effort an A+ tonight!!! That’s all I wanted was for them to just play hard. Too many defensive breakdowns, I give the Clippers coaching a C- however. Not good play calling, adjustments or substitutions. Blake should have had the last shot! He was playing the best and could have potentially got a bucket and the foul!
I wish CP3 all the best. He’s a great player but Clippers have BLEDSOE and Griffin and DeAndre will fllourish with his style of play. And Lakers will beneft from CP3’s addition.
CP3’s body type resembles that of BARON DAVIS. He prefers to run gridlock offense only to retain his energy level. Griffin isn’t going to like that kind of frustrating pace. We’re still paying heavy price for BARON mistake by keeping
Mo Williams. Think 100 times before offering a long term deal to CP3.
Reality always bites. This one surely does.
Instead of spending 16 mil. on CP3, we should spend that money to ramp up defensive minded skilled players. At the same time, must re-sign Billups, Reggie, Martin. Trade Mo Williams to Miami Heat. Or Trade him to NYC for Tyson Chandler.
You’re dumb dude. CP3 does not resemble Baron. Baron is much bigger and stronger and can post up smaller guards. CP3 needs to lose some weight to get his energy level up. He’ll be ok. The lockout killed him because he was in all of those meetings for those long hours. Have you forgotten that he is the NBPA VP?
Danny Green was too long/tall for CP 3, Del Negro should have adjusted on the last play all.
Everybody and their mother new the play that VDN drew. I agreed that Green was too long for CP3. he did it to iguadala but that was healthy cp3 then. anyways Great effort, hard fought game we just couldnt finish them. I am already looking forward to the new season, the adjustments, the new coach and i’d love to see how ebled evolves to a Monster!! that dude was unstoppable on offense and gave great defense they should’ve drawn a play involving Havoc bledsoe just because it was due to his efforts that we were within reach in the end. Feel bad for the loss, but can’t feel bad for the team. #Go Clips!
What are 2 things that each player, coaching staff and team as a whole be accountable to achieve in the off season for the Clippers to improve?
Great question. I’ll start:
1. Coaching: Speed up CP. Stress defensive hustle and responsibility. Make Blake and DJ shoot 1,000 free throws apiece daily throughout the summer.
2. Team as a whole: There is a disconnect between the starters (slow) and reserves (fast) that needs to be addressed. CP, Foye, Billups, and Butler are best-suited for a slow-down, half-court game; Blake, DJ, Bledsoe, and Young are best-suited for an up-and-down, defense-free game. (Bledsoe can play D but (to my eyes) thrives with pace.) I don’t know if CP’s knees can take the up and down but, ironically, in the postseason it seemed like his propensity to limit the team to half-court offense was more of a detriment than an asset.
Also, if ever there was a team where every guy needed to shoot 1,000 free throws apiece over the summer, it’s this team. Pop’s strategy will be replicated across the league next year if the Clips trot a out a front line featuring DJ, Blake, Reggie, and K-Mart.
3. Players: (1) Free throw shooting; (2) Blake’s mid-range game; (3) Blake’s effort on defense, which I thought was disgusting throughout the playoffs. I thought Blake wanted to be a winner but I’m not so sure now, and don’t blame his knee injury. He was the last guy down the floor during the entirety of the Memphis series, too.
over/under # of days VDN gets fired?
it will happen before June 1st, it’s when the Clips have to give an answer about his extension.
New coach ! New coach and a new coach! Actually that’s 3 things.
well, the new coach has to hire assistants too. =)
So this team has two major areas of need. First, they don’t have a legitimate shooting guard, unless people are willing to give Nick Young a shot. Which means that they have too many PGs trying to play positions they aren’t supposed to play.
Second, they obviously have no small forward depth at all. And Caron Butler is just not a good player anymore. He can’t defend anyone, he takes bad shots, and he isn’t adept at getting into the lane anymore. Problem is, he’s the only NBA caliber small forward on the entire roster. So, basically, they have to go get some real wings.
Oh, and Vinny has to go. Unless the box score is wrong, somehow, someway, Foya yet again saw more minutes than Bledsoe. Which, at this point in the series, with nothing to lose, is totally inexcusable.
Vinny loves him some Foye. Any other wing gets pulled if they do the slightest thing wrong. He pulled Bledsoe in one game because the dude got a T. He didn’t use Nick Young tonight because of his obsession with Foye. Foye is a spot up shooter that has no D and no finishing ability. No spot up shots and Foye is useless except in Vinny’s world.
Can’t be a sore looser so..Congrats to the San Antonio city and their team. Mr Fundamentals and crew schooled our young team. I wish we could’ve exploited our very few advantages but i can’t argue with our banged guys and our less-than xo’s coach, we had very little chance. I do expect pay back next season! As true fans, Keep your head up Clippernation!.
unrestricted free agents
and kenyon martin
Who should they keep?
Are you sure about Foye? He may have another year on his deal, like Gomez
Foye’s contract is up. I would definitely love to keep Chauncey and Reggie. Keep Young if we can find a good coach to develop him and get him to get rid of his heat check tendencies. That being said, there are plenty of 2 guards that are better and I would rather go after. We also have expiring contracts in Mo and Gomes to make a trade next year to upgrade the roster at the 2. Priorities are getting a backup 5 and a new coach.
Keep Reggie and Billups. Young if he doesn’t demand too much money. The other guys can go. Mo and Gomes need to be shopped.
Yea, I agree with Clips4 and Benoit in keeping Reggie and Billups. Keep Kmart if he’s not too expensive.
We definitely need some solid 3-pts shooter. Maybe Novak would want to come back? For small forward I actually like Chandler Parsons from the Rockets. Budinger is not a bad backup SF either.
Unless he’s our token white guy, we don’t need a shooter who can’t play a lick of defense. We had too many of them on the team already this year.
Novak. That is. I think Terrence Williams is a good reclamation project if SAC decides to not re-up his contract. Parsons is a good solid player too as is Budinger. We still need that long 6’5+ wiry wing defender who can also slash and spot up shoot to take pressure off CP3 and Blake. I hated our revolving door of whose turn is it tonight between Foye, Mo, Caron, and Young to have a good shooting night and show up?
whoop! Someone said T-Will!
I hate to say what ifs. But the If the Clips could have won the Pacific division instead of the Fakers they would have matched up really well with the Thunder. Fakers may even have beat SA.
I don’t really buy the argument that Bledsoe is too small to play alongside Chris Paul for long stretches. Let’s talk about standing reach because that’s what really matters, not how long a guys neck is. I just did a quick sampling of some of the standing reaches for some of the smaller shooting guards in the NBA:
Eric Gordon: 8’3″
Avery Bradley: 8’2.5″
Dwyane Wade: 8’6″
So, Eric Bledsoe’s 8’2″ standing reach is short, but it’s not unacceptably short. It’s not like we’re talking about lining up two Chris Pauls, 7’9″ standing reach. Plus, Bledsoe is strong, he’s not gonna get shoved around.
Good season disappointing way to end it Its going to be an interesting offseason A lot of different things can play out with how this team will be next year with we have a lot of free agents a coach that has an expiring contract two stars that need extensions
All I gotta say is: if Barkleys so damn great, where in the hell is his nba ring? Respect to the hall of famer but give the kid a break!. Thanks clippers for one hell of a ride! Go Clippers!
Barkley hates the Clippers and Kenny Smith hates Chris Paul, prob because he went to Wake instead of UNC. Blake has to get deadly from 15 feet out tho! He’s right about that! Every great player, as Duncan can attest to, has developed an outside shot!
Hold up. The entire Clippers team plays bad transition defense. Nearly every fast break down the court the whole Clippers team is cross matched. They make no effort actually finding their man. I see Griffin on Green. I see Jordan on Bonner. I see Foye on Parker. It’s the whole team getting lost in transition.
And good point by Foster. Blake is fairly undersized for a PF. He isn’t long. He is never going to be a great shot blocker nor is he ever going to have some beautiful, conventional post game. He isn’t long enough or tall enough to do that.
But what he can be is a Karl Malone type? Just a more explosive and athletic version!!!
Bitter sweet ending. Clips got passed the first round. Lost the second to the best nba team and we get rid of vdn for a real coach. Western conference finals next year. Lob city lives
Haven’t seen his name mentioned in this context, but wouldn’t Mike D’Antoni be a perfect fit coach for this team?
Bite your tongue. No Pringles here please.
Mike D’Antoni and CP3 would be a horrible fit. He would make Blake and DJ worse at defense than they already are.
If the Clippers where to get a new coach Nate McMillan would be a great fit. bring back K-Mart, Reggie, Randy Nick. Let Mo i can’t step in the playoffs Williams go.
Don’t u mean foye. He was hitting at the end of the season but dried up when the playoff started. The person who really stood out this series or persons are kenyon martin, eric bledsoe and reggie evans
OK, not sure if anyone listened to the post-game radio show, but I was Greg (yep, that’s my name) calling in after the first set of callers. I was at the game – great crowd except for the row of obnoxious Spurs fans to my left – and couldn’t believe that radio play by play man Brian Siemen was trying to play all Pollyanna on the season. I am usually a fan of Brian. He’s a talented guy who has to carry an entire game by himself with no color analyst for a good 2 1/2 to 3 hours and that’s no easy feat. But what sounded like a company line of “it’s been such an amazing season and we can build on this for next year,” blah, blah, really rubbed me the wrong way. If you are a team that wants to contend for a championship, you do not accept getting swept in ANY round of the playoffs. Even if it’s to the eventual champions (and sorry, I think OKC is taking the Spurs out). That is the sort of loser mentality that cannot continue in Clipper Nation from the fan on the street to the owner of the team if you want talent the likes of Chris Paul and Blake Griffin to re-up on your team let alone have Chauncey Billups return for one more gallant run.
I do not want to start sounding like a broken record like Demote DeAndre or in the vein of the now retired Fire Dunleavy, but Vinny has got to go. For the second game in a row, he made terrible substitutions that put his team in a non-competitive situation. Why on earth did he put Reggie Evans back in the game when his former mentor, Popovich, had already made it clear in the first half he’d foul him at a moments notice? When the team had two opportunities to try and win or tie the game the only inbound play was get it to CP3 and clear it out. Really? You think Pop didn’t think that would be the play? How about an actual basketball play Vinny? I do not buy the excuse that in five months of playing he could not use shoot arounds to implement at least three to four inbound or end of game plays that didn’t just have CP3 trying to win it on his own. Are we supposed to believe the team is so dumb they couldn’t learn them without training camp? I’ve seen high school, college and Olympic teams learn more complicated plays in days let alone months. And I don’t even want to get into the Kenyon Martin fiasco tonight. Or the lack of any counter to the backdoor play the Spurs ran at the end THREE TIMES IN A ROW. Yes, the players take responsibility for what’s on the floor, but you need to have smart players who have played together defensively to make them succeed. Anyone remember seeing a CP3, Blake, Butler, Foye and Mo Williams combo on the floor on a regular basis this season? Do you think that lineup scared the Spurs offensively?
Vinny is a nice guy (I think). He’s passionate, but for this team to take the next step it’s got to get a major upgrade. And not just in personal. One of the first steps has to be to let him go. I’m just hoping someone can convince Donald “bizarrely loyal at the wrong times” Sterling that getting swept in the second round was not a “good” thing.
Granted, Neil Oshey also has a lot of work to do too (assuming Sterling has given him a contract extension as well, scary). This was certainly a flawed team, but it has two prime All-Stars and Olympians in Blake and CP3.* You need to put the right pieces around them.
*On a side note, one silver lining to this series is Blake will be looking forward to playing Tiago Splitter and Brazil. Also, Tony Parker may not want to face CP3 if he’s healthy in London. I doubt Chris will be happy to see him.
The team has a lot of decisions to make. On the one hand, you want to bring Billups back (assuming he wants to play for Vinny if Vinny stays which is a big “if”) just to placate CP3. Plus, they made a pretty impressive combo for 14 games. What the team really needs – as others have wisely noted – is a shooting big man. DeAndre cannot be the regular starting center until he’s got some sort of regular offensive move. At this point, he’s got less offensive options going for him than Andre Bedriens. Unfortunately, the pickings are slim for jump shooting 4 and 5’s. (Ah, where’s a Rasheed Wallace when you need him?). Yes, there is Lamar Odom, but I really think that’s a drama no one wants to invite into this locker room.
As for the rest of the team…
Randy Foye – Hope he comes back, but needs to be in a reserve roll. He showed he’s not a true starting 2 in the playoffs where he disappeared.
Mo Williams – Mo is great in the regular season, but he’s too small and not a good enough creator for this team. He’s expendable and probably still worth something on the trade market.
Reggie Evans – He’s got to come back. There would be fan unrest if he didn’t still…
Kenyon Martin – I honestly think Kenyon is more valuable. I just don’t think he wants to play for Vinny again. Especially for close to the minimum.
Caron Butler – A warrior for playing with the broken hand, he’ll likely be better next year with more time since his knee surgery. He needs to get leaner though to help with his quickness.
Eric Bledsoe – You do not trade him unless you are getting Dwight Howard in a deal (and maybe not even then). He’s a stud and will be even better next year.
Nick Young – Likely gone. Had some great moments and played D here and there, but betting his agent is gonna use his Memphis moments to land a better deal than the Clips can offer. Brooklyn here we come?
Bobby Simmons – Nice to see you again Bobby, but you’ve lost too much confidence in your shot. Best of luck.
Travis Leslie – Unclear. Could be cut. Never got any playing time except in the D-League.
Ryan Gomes – How many more years do they have on his deal? Oh, me, oh, my. Oshey’s worst move.
Trey Tompkins – Another indictment for Vinny. How on earth did he not get off the bench? Every time he came in he hit a jumper. Why would you not try to integrate him into the team as an option during the regular season? He didn’t even get a look during the horrible February and March streaks. Bizarre.
Also, thanks to all you guys who contribute and write on Clipperblog. I’m guessing you don’t get paid much (if anything) and your passion is evident in all of your posts. Hoping the blog doesn’t become a ghost town in the summer.
Thumps up if u skipped most of that rant comment.
No ghost town here — we have tons of stuff to talk about this offseason and have a lot of cool things planned. Thanks for commenting as always man.
Hey DJ, how about planing a pickup game at near by Clippers facility courts? We can have Demote D. Ref! HA!
Ha — we’ve been kicking around that idea for a while now, just gotta figure out a good time and we’ll make it happen.
Long rant for the ADD population, but well worth the read! Thanks.
Bring back Nick and the two-hand-wave!!…Notice this team sunk right after he was off the clipperblog.com beat…
Where u the one that Seamen went off when commented about VDN should get fired? LOL Yea he went off to protect VDN. I actually felt like calling back and telling him off myself! His excuses were that VDN turned the team around.. I was like umm no. CP3 started taking over this team and chauncey started coaching! The team went on a winning streak on sheer talent! anyone with two eyes can see this. Just the way the team earned those victories. I guess Seamen was just too emotional to be rational.
Im with all of you here on regards our coach. VDN is a likeable guy and he’s proven that his greatest asset is his motivational skills but if olshey resigns him, i trully believe its the end of this squad.
I didn’t think Seamen went “off” but he was clearly annoyed I wasn’t taking the party line. VDN did NOT turn the team around. That’s ridiculous.
Opening in Orlando. If Clips don’t make a move in next week or so McMillian and Sloan may not be available.
I remember in an interview I forget who did it with VDN where VDN said every NBA team runs 80% of the same sets. If that was the case, why did we literally see ONLY 4 plays the entire season? I guess VDN is saying that 80% of the sets every team runs i the pick and roll and the iso play. That’s pathetic…
Keep Reggie,Kmart & Billups (if he can come back?) Maybe Nick Young if we got the right coach. The most frustrating thing about VDN was the lack of minutes he gave Eric Bledsoe. He was the Clips 3rd best player but sat on the bench most of the season. We need a defensive minded coach, who can push the team to play defense in the 1st three quarters. I enjoyed the Clipper Blog & thanks to everyone who took part. It was a fun season & I look foward to next year.
As a Spurs fan who watched his franchise squander, yes squander, most of David Robinson’s career with the wrong coaches, dime-store free agents, and a well-meaning but meandering front office, I counsel discernment and a warning:
Corporate knowledge is key, and it takes time and the right people, but sentimentality can play no part in deciding who are the right people for the tough work ahead. The Spurs took their first true step when ownership got into serious hands and Popovich was brought on board and given the freedom to act. And believe me many fans hated him as late as 2005 for the strong hand he took in the beginning. RC Buford came on board as GM not too long after Pop and this is when I think the foundation was secured. Without Duncan the Spurs would not have won championships, but I have no doubt the Spurs would still have built quite a beautiful edifice of corporate knowledge.
I sense that a similar decision point has arrived for the Clips—and you have your Duncan already—but you need to judge your coach, GM, and players by the right criteria. VDN’s in-game management is suspect, but it’s not the deciding issue: the major issue is what will be his concrete plan for building corporate knowledge, especially as to team defense. You have the talent base, you just have to ingrain good defensive habits as a team, not just for next year but for years beyond. It’s not a question of what he could have done in a shortened season, because that is a one-time scenario, but what he proposes to do with a full summer and training camp entering a regular 82 game season and what he expects to build from then on. And his program cannot be evaluated without interviewing other prospects for the coaching job. All the same, the front office has to evaluate itself in the process. Has it given the coach the right structure of coaches around him? Does he have the right scouting personnel? How is player development coordinated in the off-season? And then the players. Which players will commit to developing? More important, which players know what to develop to help the team? For Griffin, for example, it is not so much having to add to his offense game, but reducing it to the most reliable and complementary tactics.
You got a great team of the decades (co-team with the Lakers). Thanks, for the words, your right, VDN may not be the guy we need, he is young and learning on the job it seems. We need a coach that has a pedigree of championships either as a player or a coach. Sterling, youve made $$$, time to pay for a real GM and coach!!!
I’m sorry but neil olshey did a masterful job he stays. Remember this guy went out of his way to get eric bledsoe and keep him over eric gordon. Not only that but got cp3 reggie evans for cheap. And got the k mart special. His only blemish was signing dj for a big contract. But maybe in time it will correct its self. I still don’t see how he didn’t win executive of the year
Ok, so the off-season is here. My suggestions as follows: Block-buster trade: Eric Bledsoe, Mo Williams, Deandre Jordan, Ryan Gomes and however many draft picks for Dwight Howard, and whoever else we can get back from them. You trade guys can work out all the other smaller details. Next, resign Randy, Chauncey, Nick, Reggie and Kmart. (I’m sure everyone will disagree with this next suggestion) This summer, and into training camp, groom Trey Thompkins as your starting 3, and move Nick young to starter at the 2. These 2 moves will help sure up the weak perimeter defense with some length. Starting line-up, CP3, Young, Thompkins, Griffin, and Howard, bench players, Billups, Foye, Butler, Evans, and Kmart, continue to develop Leslie, and if we have any rookies develop them as well, and sign any free agent big we can get on the cheap. Oh, and as much support as I offered Vinny during the season, the support has run its course. I hope the Clippers move forward with a new coach, with a new direction, and let us hope Olshey finds the best coach available for the job. One other move, lock Griffin with the max as soon as possible. Thompkins, and Young will still provide the firepower from beyond the arch, Griffin and Howard will control the paint, and CP3 can roam free. Blake can develop the mid range jumper, we could just throw it down low to Howard for points there. Even Vinny could win with a line-up like that, but lets get a coach who can instill a system, and create an identity for this team. I’m not concerned about Howards back, any more than I am concerned with Blakes or CP3’s knees. Make the moves, and lets win a title next year. This season was great, as the players got some great experience, and probably learned a great lesson that they have a long ways to go to get where they want to be. D-12 can get them there much quicker than any other method, and no, I am not looking to wait for Deandre to develop over the next 3 or 4 years. We need to win everything next year.
Tim, I never really liked Randy Foye because he made poor decisions. Even though he came on late this year, he was practically useless in the playoffs outside of being a spot up shooter. If he’s not hitting shots, he can’t do anything else to contribute and help the team.
Clips4, Foye, I suggested as a role playing back-up for next years team. Foye made valueable contributions during this season, but I think he would better serve the Clippers as a backup. I see my recommendations are not being met with rave reviews, so be it. I think Thompkins is a nice talent, and if given an opportunity could develop. I think an upgrade at the Center position would be huge for this team. I appreciate that although I am getting slammed here, no one has come out of the weeds with anything to say except thumbs down, other than yourself Clips4. But to re-address you, your views of Foye are valid, but there is a place in this league for player such as Foye, and a back up role on the Clippers suites him, in my humble opinion.
I see Thompkins as a good young player to develop. We need a good coach to develop him and Blake and DJ. I can’t agree with you on seeing Thompkins as a 3. He needs to gain like 10-15 pounds of muscle and he can be a stretch 4. I think if DJ doesn’t go to the Shaq/Dream/Kareem big man camp this summer, then finding an upgrade at the 5 is imperative.
I look at the Spurs and they have spot up shooters who can also defend and contribute elsewhere. Foye (you’re right about him being a backup) is good as a spot up shooter but he is horrible off the dribble and can’t create his own shot. He is also really streaky. If the Clips ran the Spurs’ system, Foye’s value would probably go up because of how they epitomize team defense. I don’t think this team has room for another undersized 2. I would rather have Chauncey back over Foye out of all the guards to keep because of his leadership and championship experience. We need to get some size and depth at the 2 and 3 spots.
I would also trade Mo because he basically turned into a Randy Foye type of player who was pretty much useless when not spotting up and at this point incapable of creating his own shot as well.
Just becuz ur tall doesn’t mean u automatically play great defense. Keep young at the back 3. If we can we can get ray allen or a better sg before you resign foye
A player can only do so much to work on their own defensive game. In terms of team defense, the coach has to have a system that holds players accountable to know where to go. Boris Diaw is not an elite defender. However, under Pop, Diaw looks like a brilliant defender because Pop is putting him in situations to succeed.
Do the Clippers have a first round pick this year ? Are there any 2 guards or stretch $’s int our draft range ? Thanks!
Trey Thompkins is a stretch 4 in the Clippers’ draft range. How about they just develop him? He can probably handle a bigger role than doing the awkward intro for the Staples Center kiss-cam.
The Clippers currently do not have a 1st round pick this year. This year’s pick goes to Boston -via OKC- to consumate the 2010 draft day trade for Eric Bledsoe.
Do we have a second round pick this year? If not, then we need to get creative because we have 12M+ in cap space.
Clippers do have a 2nd round pick this year, currently the 53rd overall pick (23rd pick of 2nd round).
For now, the Clippers are close to the cap limit for the 2012-13 season. This year’s salary cap was $58.044 million (next year’s cap will be somewhere around there). The Clippers currently have $57.747 million committed to the 2012-13 season. This includes Mo Williams’ Player Option and Ramona Shelburne has reported that he is not opting out.
This is with Foye’s, Young’s, Evans’, Chauncey’s, K-Mart’s contracts all up right?
Correct. The only Clippers on the books at the moment are: Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Mo Williams, Caron Butler, Ryan Gomes, Eric Bledsoe & Trey Thompkins. Travis Leslie is on a non-guaranteed deal.
We need to do what the Spurs do with finding undervalued/underperforming guys and turn them into solid role players. First we need a system that would be conducive to that.
First you need the greatest coach in the league to do what the spurs do.
Danny Green? Gary Neal ? Tiago Splitter? An Old Boris Diaw? Matt Bonner? This would be a team you’d expect to watch in North Dakota CBA! Yet Popovich can turn these guys into contributing players on a championship caliber team!
DJ Foster about to come on the Max&Marcelus show on 710 ESPN.
I appreciated Chris Pauls candid comments after game 4. I liked how he took responsibility for everything, like a man, no excuses. Paul is willing to look in the mirror and he sounds like he wants to get better as a player, amazing for someone as talented as himself, can still push harder to get better. Other than getting in better shape, I can’t think of anything that Chris Paul needs to improve at, and its not like he’s out of shape or anything. I could argue that a completely healthy Chris Paul in his current shape is more than enough, but I wonder what a Chris Paul with lower body fat could bring to the table, and the question is, would it be more than what he already gives? To answer my own question, I think that the only benefit might be less nagging injuries, but other than that, Chris Paul is the perfect point guard for this team, in my humble opinion.
Look what its done to ‘MR. Fundamentals’?.
Not like Kobe throwing Pau under the bus and taking zero responsibility for any loss, ever. CP3 is all class.
Except for punching nuts.
The Magic has fiired Van Gundy.. should we include him on the list for possible clips coach? If they would’ve asked me this question ealier (2months ago) i would’ve said yes, but now with all that drama, im not so sure. He might be too much to handle.
Definitely. Any van gundy is a good van gundy.
I like Jeff a little more but Stan has the better record.
Hell no, Stan’s teams hate him. Happened in Miami and then Orlando. He’s too negative.
All coaches harp on the stuff that needs to improve. But Stan is funny and personable and honestly only cares about winning and helping his players become better. Stan actually had half the team on his side, it was the problem with Dwight that casted a shadow over everything. Dwight revealed himself to be a two-faced manipulative prima donna.
Even after Orlando canned the best coach they’ve ever had, Dwight will still probably walk after the season if he isn’t traded first. If Orlando was smart, they’d go all in on a rebuild while they can extract a ton of assets from another 1 or 2 teams.
The 3 biggest names in the unrestricted free agent market are Tim Duncan, Ray Allen and Jason Kidd, all who are well beyond their primes. There are no guarantees that any restricted free agents will sign an offer sheet, and if so, the other team can still match. Other than a trade, how else, besides signing our own Free Agents, plus, a new coach, how else does this team improve? Are there any Gary Neals, or Danny Green playing in Europe waiting to come back across the pond?
TD isn’t leaving. He’s a lifer
True, I just mentioned his name, because it was listed. The Clippers are losing the most serviceable players that are going into the free agent market. I know we are near cap right now at 57 mill, but we have to dress more than just: Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Mo Williams, Caron Butler, Ryan Gomes, Eric Bledsoe & Trey Thompkins for games next year. Suggestions?
Amnesty or trade Mo to free up cap/move into other talent.
On the 3 front:
Sign Terrence Williams, Andrei Kirilenko or Rashard Lewis following his buyout. Throw an offer at Nicolas Batum. Any one of those guys works, with T-Will able to play 2/3 for a very affordable rate.
Assuming we cleared enough Cap, offer whatever we have to Eric Gordon, along with a dozen roses, a box of chocolates and a 6’10” Sorry for Trading You card. Or offer Memphis Mo Williams and 2 second round picks for OJ Mayo and Darrell Arthur or Quincy Pondexter.
Marreesse Speights, Sean Williams or, trade Mo Williams to Dallas for Lamar Odom.
Dream scenario: Package of Mo Williams and DeAndre Jordan to Detroit for Greg Monroe and a bad contract (preferrably Ben Gordon’s).
Detroit is NOT giving up Greg Monroe for anyone other than Blake or CP3. That’s more than a dream scenario, that’s a fantasy. LOL.
Would love to get Speights and his outside shot, question is whether Grizz will pay the money to keep him (he’s restricted). It’s a very weak free agent class this year. Ray Allen and KG are going to get much more money than you would have expected for them at this stage in their careers. Would love one or both though.
Not completely impossible, you’d be replacing what they lose and you get one of those contracts off their books and move them into a point guard to mentor Knight with an expiring contract that is still very tradable. Basically its a way for Detroit to still build around Brandon Knight, have that defensive center, and free up cap space moving into next season.
There is some appeal to the trade, and picks always make things seem sweeter.
The thing is, their bad contract is also one of our needs, so we’d win on both acquisitions. It solves problems for both franchises.
But you are right, Monroe is awesome and it would be hard for Detroit to part with him.
In my opinion, Van Gundy is the guy to gun for. He wins..simple..He also has finals experience and has guided a team through 4 rounds of playoffs.
SVG canned by Otis Smith…
SVG and Otis Smith canned by Martins
Does Stan know x’s and o’s??? Can he develop the young bigs, help Blake down low, work on Deandre as a project? What system did the Magic run?
He breathes X’s and O’s. Seriously, the Van Gundy family was raised on X’s and O’s, whole milk and lots of cheese.
4 consecutive playoff appearances, 3 consecutive DPOY awards for Dwight. Both Van Gundy brothers have been to the Finals and are known for their defensive chops and their ability to develop players.
Can we expect Orlando to allow Howard to walk, and get nothing in return at the end of next season?
They are probably going to trade him and get a fistful of picks and prospects. It looks like either a full rebuild or they hand the keys to Dwight and say whatever you want as long as you re-up.
Well, here we are at the end of what has been our most exciting season EVER. Did anyone expect more than 20-30 wins out of this team before the CP3 trade? A tough playoff series WIN over the football team known as the Memphis Grizzlies? Sure, we got swept by a Spurs team that’s been together forever and has gone 28-2 over the last few weeks, but so did Utah and OKC will have their hands full. I can’t wait for next year!
Let’s all take the high road and remain positive. Remember, the Fakers got swept last season and are about to be in the same position as us after OKC ushers them out tonight. In LakerLand, the sky is not just falling, but the world has already ended and they’re all down on just about everyone not named Kobe (and lots are on him, too). With CP3 and a young core of exciting talent, the Clippers have a chance to really capture some excitement in this town!!!
the 32-50 record of the last season is pretty deceiving, even more with all the injuries and that horrible start, they could have been at least .500+ team.
that said I think that the team without CP3 – and counting on a less injured year – would mature in the right pace, just like it happened with the Blazers – until the injuries -, the OKC, Grizz and maybe 76ers this season. the Clips would have matured in a natural way, developing their core young players.
imagine this line up: Billups, Gordon, Butler, Griffin and Kaman. you would still have Bledsoe, Williams, Evans, Martin and DJ. I think that this team would go pretty far, as long as they could stay healthy. but knowing that Grodon and Kaman had another injury year, I don’t know how this would have really been. but this would be a nice team and more balanced, basically because Gordon and Kaman give you that flexibility.
I’m just saying that even without the trade this could have been a very nice team and chemistry wise it would have been better, I mean theirs skills set would complement each other better. You would still have a big shot guy in Billups, an above average scorer that can shoot, slash, drive in Gordon. a big man that can stretch the floor and play in the paint as well, one that could also help in defense in Kaman.
I really wished they could have developed in a natural pace, but it’s not like a regret the trade, not at all. this accelerated things a bit, but at the same time it becomes more demanding, with the Clips being under the microscope, it also demands that Blake develops sooner.
the reason I wrote this is because CP3 gets more credit for this team getting better than the team gets, which is not fair. CP3 is great and brings some intangibles, but it’s not really like this was supposed to be a horrible team and then suddenly they became awesome just because of him.
I say go after KG. He’ll bring defensive intensity and kick DJ’s butt.
Id love KG, but the rumors are saying if he isn’t re-signed in Boston he’s headed for Brooklyn.
Go after KG? With what cap space?
We’ve got $8M we can free up in amnesty and there is always a willing agent for a buyout. KG won’t be asking for max, but for something around $10M.
He’d probably take less to play somewhere he wants to play.
I think they are going to keep the Amnesty for something down the road. I’m not sure it ever expires. I think KG might be interested, but we’ll see. He’s a surprising guy. He may just stay with the Celtics. Ray Allen I would assume is gone.
The amnesty only applies to contracts signed before the newly ratified CBA. Any contracts since after the new CBA was ratified cannot be amnestied. If KG is willing to play for the mid-level, that would be great. I think he knows that at this stage of his career he would take a huge pay cut to be on a contender. I want KG here because he is one of the best team defenders because he communicates and tells teammates where they need to be. He holds his teammates accountable and is someone that would be great to mentor DJ. I think DJ has the potential to be half the player KG ever was because DJ is bigger, stronger, and way more athletic than KG in his prime. He could definitely help Blake work on his game too to develop his jump shot and work on that pick and pop.
True. But unless they really know KG would come they are not going to amnesty Mo Williams.
Well, if that happens, I would not re-sign K-Mart and our bigs would be DJ, Blake, KG, Reggie. Or I would go for a bigger body and not re-sign Reggie.
KG will either retire as a Celtics or play for them, he will absolutely not leave the Celtics for another team, it won’t happen.
Is the Don willing to pay luxury taxes?
Luxury taxes don’t matter if your revenues far exceed expenses. Theres also some pad between the soft and hard cap that is bearable.
The Don has been profitable 20 out of 22 years, if he likes winning enough he’s more than made his money back on this investment to justify a couple years in the red. He only paid $13M for the team and has made nearly half a billion in revenues.
Considering the new penalties, I don’t think most owners want to pay the luxury tax. Even the Buss’ are cutting payroll because of it.
Stan Van Gundy:
Even he doesn’t win a championship, he’ll at least provide entertaining press conferences.
Pluck from Pop’s assistants’ pool… MIKE BUDENHOLZER…could get him on the cheap (something for DTS), proven assistant coach under HOF coach (something for players), fresh coaching blood as opposed to recycled coaches (something for fans)…Everyone is happy!!
For coaches the Clippers should not get the Van Gundy’s. Jeff was overrated as a coach he had a good Knicks team and couldn’t do anything with him. Stan don’t even get me started his voice alone annoy’s me.
The main thing is to get a better starting center. Olshey will continue trying to trick the Clipper fans into thinking Jordan is not as bad as he is, so Sterling should not pick up the option on Olshey. There is no more cap room. Olshey has wasted all of it, mainly wasting it on Jordan but also on Caron Butler.
Sterling should get a new GM who knows what he’s doing and somebody who could attract Dwight Howard, somebody like Donnie Walsh who recently left the Knicks and did a super job while he was there fixing the mess Isiah Thomas made there.
Then the new GM can fix the mess the soap opera actor left here. The new GM should decide on the coach and should trade Jordan, preferably for Howard but for anybody really, just to get rid of him before he pulls the team down again.
Demote – dj was paid to play D…if he does that, he will earn his 8mil…Caron will be fine once he gets healthy. Oshley orchestrated that cp3 trade…resign him long term DTS!!
No coach is going to be able to take over this team with DeAndre Jordan starting at center and go any further in the playoffs than they did this year.
Jordan is that much of a dead weight.
Naturally, the inept Olshey was telling the media today that what the Clippers need most is a shooting guard. Yes, of course, they need a shooting guard but not nearly as badly as the need a new starting center and similarly not nearly as bad as they need to get rid of Jordan period, even if they can’t get anything good back for him.
The main choice, however, is to trade Jordan in a package for Howard. Howard will have watched the Clippers in the playoffs and he will have seen that this team is the best place for him to be for the next 5 years, playing alongside Griffin and with Paul running the offense into them. The Clippers are much better for him than the lowly Nets or the aging and Bryant-centered Lakers. Howard can control where he’ll be traded to, simply by saying who he will sign with.
Trade DeAndre and who else to get Howard? Who? We don’t even have any strong draft picks to trade anymore. The Magic are gonna want a lot more than that.
Bottom line is Clippers lost to a hall of fame coach and a hall of fame player! Tony and Mano aren’t pushovers either! Chauncey was out, CP3 barely looked right in game 4, Blake had a couple good games but the knee was an issue early in the series, Caron had a broken hand and most importantly we had a coach that only knew had to draw up a couple plays. Bledsoe broke out!! So the future is bright!!!
Sorry meant CP3 didn’t look right until Game 4.
Nate mcmillian or one the supposed retired coaches in jerry sloan or phil jackson. i only say phil cuz that would be the greatest slap to the faker franchise if he signed and won 5 more championships with the clips. But i really dont think the triangle would work for us. can somone call sam cassel on the phone and get this guy to be an assitant coach for us
pj has said some unpleasant things about dts…no way he’s coming to the clippers…
Think the clippers will amnesty someone? I assume that they would amnesty Gomes if they can’t find a team to take him in a salary dump trade. Obviously Gomes and Williams have to go or there is just not enough money to fill up the roster.
Too bad we can’t trade Williams and Gomes to the Nets for Marshon Brooks, that kid is good! He isn’t super athletic but he’s a solid scorer.
Would the Grizzlies take DJ, Mo Williams and Gomes for Mark Gasol and OJ Mayo ? Would that even be a good trade ? Thoughts.
no way grizz are dealing gasol…mayo, yes…
Gomes really lessens the value of the trade. So basically that would be trading two similar players (Williams and mayo) and downgrading thier center. Plus Memphis would have to take a pretty crappy DJ contract. I guess if a team is rebuilding they may want Williams and ges expiring contracts but I don’t think Memphis is such a team
My thinking is Marc Gasol’s passing and post skills would blend well with Blake! Better then DJ’s Ben Wallace game.
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