Nick Young to sign with Sixers

06 Jul 2012

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The details from Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc Stein:

Nick Young has reached agreement with Philly, his agent says.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) July 6, 2012

Finals details still being sorted, but Sixers and Young headed for one-year deal in $6 million range

— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) July 6, 2012

One year and six million dollars.

Let this sink in as an idea of what the Clippers decided against, in favor of three or four years and similar money for Jamal Crawford.

JT

Is it really the same money as we offered Crawford? Couldn’t we only offer 4.4 million to Young and he took 6 million? I think he wants a better contract next year so he decided to sign the one year deal with Philly.
- http://www.clipperblog.com Charlie Widdoes
  
  That is not the case. The Clippers could have offered Young that amount, or close to it, and could have sweetened their offer by adding an extra year or so. The Clippers decided they wanted Jamal Crawford, and opted to give him a long-term contract rather than pursue the other options on the market.
  - BelgianClipper
    
    a question for you: are you guys truly clipper fans or is this just a gig like any other?
    - http://www.clipperblog.com Andrew Han
      
      I assure you, Charlie is probably one of the longest suffering Clipper fans around.
      - BelgianClipper
        
        Could be but I always have the feeling you guys take more bashful approach to Clipper fandom then Clipsnation. Even during the season, essentially the best season in Clipper history, you guys kept on going. And now again. Perhaps we could just wait for the season to unfold before we bury people? It really turns me off this blog and makes me miss the sometimes excellent other articles.
        
        http://www.clipperblog.com Andrew Han
        
        Definitely entitled to your opinion. Not sure what you meant by this point:
        
        “Even during the season, essentially the best season in Clipper history, you guys kept on going.”
        
        Are you saying we’re more reserved with our Clipper fandom (bashful) or that we were more critical/negative in our Clipper fandom (bashing)?
        
        I don’t want to speak for the other writers (and here’s the part where I still do anyway) but I think we try to keep our ardor for the Clippers in check to try and maintain an some perspective on the team. Sometimes it creeps out critically if something goes wrong and we’re putting an event in the context of the Clippers’ history (which we can all admit, is not an illustrious one). Sometimes the exuberance jumps out when seeing the sheer potential explode on the court (Griffin or Bledsoe anyone?).
        
        And here’s where I will speak for the other writers: The Clippers did have an amazing season this past year. And, as you suggested, it might have been their best year ever. But I no longer compare the Clippers to their history. The second they executed the Chris Paul trade, history went out the window. I no longer view it as acceptable to make lateral moves or small-to-moderate mistakes. The standard that fans around the league place on the Spurs, the Thunder, the Heat, the Lakers is the same that I now use to critique the Clippers. In my mind, excellence in every facet of the game (front office moves, on-court decisions, etc) isn’t a goal but the expectation now because that is the criteria for a contender and the Clippers declared themselves as such by trading for the best point guard in the league.
        
        All of us are behind the team for better or worse (some for longer than others) and we could spin these moves positively, because they’re not all awful. But we choose to dissect them to expose every flaw because those are the imperfections that derail a contending team in May/June, one year, three years down the road. Chris Paul demands to be on a contending team and thus we examine them as a contending team.
        
        Anyway, that’s my 2 cents. I guess you could argue we “Tiger Mom” the team too much instead of encouraging them. But everyone here is just as invested in the team as a fan and a writer.
      - http://www.clipperblog.com Charlie Widdoes
        
        Sorry you feel that way, BelgianClipper. Perhaps you might want to look up the meaning of the word “bashful,” because I don’t think that’s what you meant.
        
        But no one is burying anyone, just pointing out what I (in this case) believe to be poor decision-making. As I’ve said many times, I expect the Clippers to be good in 2012-13, probably even a top-4 playoff team. But I can’t help that a lot of the moves recently have confounded me and it’s my responsibility to try to convey that here.
      - Clips4
        
        Amen to that, Andrew!
      - ocdude
        
        Hey guys don’t feel discouraged by the criticism. You guys are doing a great job. I always felt you guys are very objective about clipper fandom, which in my opinion is a good thing. To me being a fan doesn’t mean you be a cheerleader for every dumb decision that the organization makes.
  - psuangelraider94
    
    There are others that are more on in these subjects than me, but I thought NYoung was a natural for us. Can cover the floor, shoot, rebound, 6-7, long arms, and really gets into zones. I don’t know Crawford, but from my vantage point, it seemed like an automatic with Young. ??
Rob

Sam Amick‏@sam_amick

Source says the guarantees on Years 3 and 4 for Jamal Crawford’s Clippers deal are “small.” Not sure how much yet.
- tom
  
  In case you guys missed it, Andrew H is a ‘writer’. To me you’re not a ‘writer’ until somebody pays you…money…a lot of money. That’s my opinion. Me. This guy. Shit, I feel bad about the ‘writer’ comment now. I mean who am I to judge? It’s not as if I’d won an Emmy or anything. Or did I? Seriously, though, I mean a shit load of money. Cheddar. Greenbacks. The end.
  - http://www.clipperblog.com Andrew Han
    
    By ‘writer’ I was referring to everyone that writes on this blog and all the people that take the time to write comments. Just trying to get the point across that everyone who frequents the site is passionate and a fan.
    
    Apologies if you were offended.
matt nespoli

this is infuriating.
BelgianClipper

we couldn’t offer him 6 million and they quite different players.
Juan

Y 1 year? Do they want to feel each other out and then see if long term is worth it? Perhaps Philly is being cautious since they’re not sure which NY they are getting, the lob up any shot from Wiz days or contributor even in playoffs from his time with Clips. Good luck to Swaggy P either way.
thodge

I think we all forget how much CP3 makes everyone better and how he helped transform Nick Young into a serviceable player by getting him to play team basketball. Hopefully CP3 has the same effect on Crawford.
Bongstradamus

Elton Brand got amnestied. 1 more year left on his deal.

Could he work for us? Or are we too packed at 4 now?
- Clips4
  
  At this rate, if we bring back Elton Brand, let’s get the band back together and bring back Corey Maggette and Darius Miles while we’re at it.
  - Bongstradamus
    
    Got LO. I’ll take em all back except Andre miller. Screw that guy.
    - psuangelraider94
      
      I thought we had gotten rid of all of those hacks. Brand had his chance. Let him go to NY too. This team seems like they like being together. I spent too much time of my life and too much money on a bunch of ego trippers that had nothing but crap for substance. Maybe we should get DembLevy back for GM. Losers – too many over too many years. We have the makings with the group started last year, which already had Blake.
      I thought I like Mo but a few interviews with him left you scratching your head – what planet was he on – and certianly not buried into the Clipper Team concept.
      
      And while I’m on it. I got to have a lot more selling on DJ. Maybe in THIS off season he’ll work on his game – some offense – as well as a little Basketall 101 fundamentals.
  - Bootstrenf
    
    Don’t forget about Livingston
Old Skool Clip Fan

Never, ever want to see Brand again.
- Bongstradamus
  
  come on now. You see that fadeaway 15 footer and 8 boards in 20 minutes and I’m sure you’ll go right back to loving EB all over again
  - http://clipperblog Gary
    
    Brand was amnestied for a reason!
    - Bongstradamus
      
      about 20m reasons why
liveperl

Seriously, when was Young going to play? Assuming Billups is back and Crawford is the first guy off the bench (yes, I’m not sold on Crawford as a starting 2, but as a back up 6th man is better than Young) – Bledsoe backs up CP3 and Foye is your 5th guard.

Again – the problem is not at G. The Clips are loaded there. It’s at C. Either DJ improves greatly – or you package as much as you can for Dwight. I know, it’s a pipe dream. But how else can the Clips relegate DJ to 2nd string?
- liveperl
  
  Or to another willing team?
  - Bryant
    
    Wait until BG’s signature is done drying on the 11th, then wheel and deal and shop DJ for a legit C.
- Hot Plate Williams
  
  I think the point is we should have passed on BOTH Billups and Crawford, and just brought in Young. Why did we not EVEN SNIFF C. Lee or even Jason Terry, who,, if we were going to sign an old guy, will at least be ready in November unlike Billups. Young has higher upside and is much younger than both. Now we are left with two sub 40% shooters in their 30′s…Ick!
  - Hot Plate Williams
    
    Like one of the commentators said during the live show last night, it seems like this front office is operating like we are still second class citizens. This place should be viewed as a destination spot, rather than players fall-back options. This feels like the off-season when we were trying for Lebron etc, and ended up with foye and gomes instead…
  - liveperl
    
    CP loves Billups. We can’t discount that. Again, Crawford as a 6th man – I trust more than Young. I couldn’t imagine Terry in a Clips uniform and Lee wasn’t going to happen. I have to think Crawford’s shooting percentage will be a little better with a facilitator like Paul. Plus, Crawford shoots free throws in the 90% range – that alone fills a huge Clipper need.
    
    This is not about G. If the Clips are to get to the Finals and win – they need an upgrade at C, somehow, someway – unless DJ vastly improves.
    - Hot Plate Williams
      
      We also can’t discount the fact that Billups, will at best, be 80% of what he was last year, which aside for a few moments was a volume shooter who shot well under par for a 2-guard. And who knows, when he is “basketball” ready and what that will translate into in court time. Crawford will be getting BIG minutes either way and basically gives us what Foye, and Williams did, although Crawford, size wise, is a more typical two.
      
      The backcourt FT percentage is not the issue, since all of our guards minus Bled have been plus foul shooters.
      
      I agree though that C is a horrible weak-spot. I was against matching GSWs offer for Deandre ( like Cuban just said, it’s better to sign nobody, then sign someone to a bad contract ), and while I hope he proves me wrong, I am not opimistic to him ever living up to his contract. People say he’s athletic this and that, but it’s the NBA, everybody is athletic!
      - liveperl
        
        Clips were 15-7 with Billups. That’s what counts. I guess they feel he’ll be ready and close to 100%. The Clips FO (and Paul) are counting on that. Attention should be moved away from the G position. It’s over. What to do about C?
      - Clips4
        
        We still need a backup SF that can actually defend and is long and athletic.
    - Clips4
      
      The problem with that is that Crawford needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Crawford is essentially a black hole. He needs to learn how to play off the ball and learn how to actually play defense. With VDN’s “system” and defensive schemes, your individual one on one defense can mask whatever deficiencies his rotations have if you are individually good on defense. Essentially, what the Clippers need to do is mirror Doc Rivers’ system in Boston. Ray Allen was never known as a great defender and Doc turned him into a fairly capable one under the team defensive concept. With Crawford, having a competent team defensive scheme would mask his deficiencies.
  - Clips4
    
    The Chauncey signing is fine. Nick Young would definitely have been an upgrade over Jamal Crawford. The only way I would go for Jamal Crawford is if every possibility had been exhausted. I would also rather have Ray Allen or Courtney Lee over Jamal Crawford. The point the CBL guys have been making is that the Clippers have not been patient and this leads to what VDN was saying after we got eliminated by the Spurs when he said we needed more shooters. Jamal Crawford is not really a shooter but more of a scorer and is streaky at best. What we needed was a glue guy and Courtney Lee could have been there. We also needed someone who could defend the perimeter. Crawford is an anemic defender.
    - Hot Plate Williams
      
      about the center position – BORIS DIAW – would be starting ahead of Deandre by Nov. 15th…
      - Hot Plate Williams
        
        BD – not a true center I know, but the most skilled for what is out there, that may take the money we have left….perhaps?
- Clipped
  
  Elton Brand? – YES.
  Maggette? – YES
  D.MILES?- YES.
  
  Relegate DeAndre to 3rd String or NBDL? — BIG YES.
  Nick Young at 6mil.? NO WAY.
Closstastic!

Ooh, maybe we can amnesty Griffin and bring back Tyrone Nesby?

This is turning out to be one of the most infuriating offseasons I can remember.
Brian

Swagger P was one hell of a character – You’ll be missed.

Brand would be bittersweet to have back, he is a stretch 4 with jumper and a nice back to basket hook. I hate him as much as the next guy but I would be happy if he brought his talents back to Clipperland.
Bongstradamus

Lou Williams must be pissed
- Clips4
  
  Probably but I could see the Lakers trying to sign him or the Heat or some other contender.
http://barmapla.com FD

Did the Clippers get that Hollins guy like Demote said? Are the Clippers even trying to get another center?
- Bongstradamus
  
  If all else fails theres Sean Williams, 6’11″, 25 years old and will work for food.
  - Clips4
    
    The Wolves plan on amnestying Darko. I am totally up for getting Darko on the cheap.
    - http://www.clipperblog.com Charlie Widdoes
      
      That makes a lot of sense actually. Problem is that the Clips are over the cap so the only amnesty guys they’ll be able to go after are ones that clear waivers.
      - Clips4
        
        Here’s to hoping Darko clears waivers and the Roesner Del Sacksgro goes out to pick up Darko for cheap.
- psuangelraider94
  
  This may be the beginning of the Trey Thompkins era. He finally gets some pre season reps. Summer league. Has a shot. 3s, FTs. Ball on the floor. Long arms. Smooth shots. PlayingTime will start to show what we have. He beats the Helll out ofDJ. Myabe not with rafters dunks, but those are too seldom.
LojikReazon

I’m starting to be annoyed with all this Jamal Crawford hate. Fact is he’s a lot better and accomplished than Nick Young, and any other free agent SG on the market. I think what tends to happen is people, especially on this forum are so smart, maybe for there own good that they only look at stats and numbers and only allow those areas to tell the story.

Jamal Crawford is an amazing talent with great skillsets. He needs to improve on his defense and decision making … THATS IT! Other than that he can be a leader and he is fearless!

People don’t know this but CP3, Billups, and Jamal Crawford are very close friends; hence why the attempt was made to trade for him during the season.

We have so many guys who can get there own shot now, its crazy. Just please, stop the negativity … I can’t take it anymore. Opposing fans do that enough. The recent podcast was an hour long rant about how bad Jamal Crawford is. He’s not!
- Clips4
  
  Have you actually watched him play? Crawford is on the wrong side of 30 and the contract is a bad contract considering he’ll be 36 by the time it’s over. Nick Young is younger and has more upside. Courtney Lee is a glue guy with Finals experience and can slash a little and is a very solid defender. Ray Allen has a championship and has experience and is the best 3-point shooter int he game. Jamal Crawford is…. Jamal Crawford. He’s not bad by any stretch of the imagination. He’s just not that good and is extremely streaky. He’s also not a shooter but a scorer. There’s a difference.
  - LojikReazon
    
    Yes, I watch him often!
    
    … and whats wrong with a scorer? You know what, I don’t wanna hear the flood of praise coming from Clippers fans when he is balling for us. MAN!
    Clippers fans ain’t never happy!
    
    CP3 historically has played more efficiently along side PGs who like to score first. Problem is, like Bledsoe they are too short. Crawford has PG ability with his ballhandling and free throw shooting, but he is 6-5 … 6-6 who shoots first.
    
    I actually preferred Crawford over Young last year, and I was mad when we didn’t get him for Bledsoe. Yawl treat Bledsoe like he’s more accomplished than Crawford. NO ONE WANTS TO GUARD CRAWFORD MAN! Hell, no one wants that ‘business’ from Lamar Odom either.
    
    Come on Clippers fans … wake up! We got something going here.
    - Clips4
      
      With this, we’re not set up for the future as well. That was the vision Olshey had. He wanted to set the team to not only win now but have a sustainable future where we can win and not just be a one or two hit wonder. Trading for Odom was good because his deal expires at the end of the year and he’s not going to get another long-term deal. He’ll at most get a 2-year deal and then he can call it a wrap before he starts to decline. I can’t believe you’re saying you like Crawford over Young last year. Crawford had the worst season of his career and without Young, we would not have made that comeback against the Grizzlies in game 1.
      
      Again, I say this. Crawford needs the ball in his hands to be effective and his contract ability will only be helpful this year and at most next year before his body will betray him and his contract turns into how Caron is. Plus you have to remember that VDN is not good enough of a coach to maximize the full potential this team has in its talent. We won last year in spite of VDN. The games we won were because of CP3 and the games we lost were because of VDN.
      - The Doc
        
        Why do i have the feeling pple on clippers blog miss olshey? At best, he was a mediocre gm. He signed gomes, Matched the warriors offer, and was pretty much gifted cp3.
        
        I really dont get the olshey love… He crippled the team with his contracts, and left us with little flexibility to maneouvre under the cap.
        
        Oh wait, almost forgot, he was the one to trade a #1 overall pick for… Mo Williams?
        
        Unless you miss mo as well…
      - psuangelraider94
        
        I agree with a lot you say, but – I don’t share this VDN is the worst coach. As for losing games at the end, you should review a few game films and see how many CP had to have the ball and turned it over to end the game.
        
        CP is good – but he’s not superman. A lot of other players (including NYg) contributed to our wins last year.
  - http://clipperblog Gary
    
    Just listen to the post. All he’s saying is that chemistry is important, and that the Clippers nucleus will be tight! I’m all for bringing in players CP3 respects. Although I respect the bloggers here, all great work.
    - Clips4
      
      Courtney Lee is a glue guy type player, chemistry would not be an issue.
- Bongstradamus
  
  Improvement doesn’t happen after 27. Whatever potential you might have had is pretty much gone at that point and WYSIWYG.
  
  Jamal Crawford is a great guy to come off your bench to put points on the board. But not for 4 years as he’s turning 32.
  
  The flip side to this is we only had this offseason to really jigger the roster for a future after imminent cap death. Next year we will max CP and Blake should (hopefully) be in the first year of a 5-6 year deal. The time to pack talent or potential filled prospects is now, so you have these guys under contract and their associated rights and can keep them together for a long time (like the Spurs did with Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, etc).
  
  Adding a bunch of over 30 fading stars does not prep you for this year and the next 5 years, it only preps you for right now. Leaving your options for the future at veterans minimum deals, bi-annual exceptions, draft picks and the mini MLE. If your team is too good and gets to the playoffs every year, those draft picks are essentially worthless.
  - Clips4
    
    Thanks for elaborating on my point, Bong. Too many people in here don’t realize how bad a signing this is when man of us know better that we could have had younger players with more upside to set us up not just to win now but to win in the future.
    - Tim
      
      LojikReazon! Stay positive, keep bringing your A-game. Not all Clipper fans are negative, but a lot of negative Clipper fans reside in this blog, it is, what it is. Crawford and LO is better than Mo/ Young, Kmart/Evans combined. Addition by subtraction. Now, lets sign a back-up 5, and move forward with a real roster, instead of a loose assortment of parts and pieces, nuts and bolts. I think they do have a plan. Patience people, and really? grandma-ma down the hall, 39 yr old point guy? Splash signing, but really? 39? Whats that really gonna do? Nothing! CP3-baby!
      - Clips4
        
        Crawford is marginally better than Mo Williams and that marginal difference is his height. Otherwise, Mo and Crawford are basically identical in their playing styles.
      - Tim
        
        Crawfords temperment is way better than Mo. Crawford accepts his role, and Mo stuck his lip out, he didn’t say anything, but the look on his face was worth a thousand words. Crawford knows he’s a bench player. That;s going to help with overall team chemistry, its the entangibles when you are trying to improve a 2nd round playoff team.
      - Bongstradamus
        
        ive got an age bias. I hate signing people over 30 unless their last name is Jordan or Bryant.
        
        I’d prefer we went for guys that can grow with the team.
      - LojikReazon
        
        Finally, 1 live-soul on this forum in ‘Tim’!
        
        Look ‘Clips4′, I’m not expecting VDN to maximize anything … our leaders Billups, L.O., Butler (title winners) & CP3 will help improve
        Crawford’s game just like Nick Young’s.
        
        Also, sort of unfair to compare Nick Young’s success with the Clippers to that of a Crawford’s with a depleted Blazers squad. Crawford would have balled with us. What good team has Crawford ever played for with reliable vets?
      - http://clipperblog Gary
        
        Dallas won the 2011 finals with the “oldest” team in the league !
      - Clips4
        
        That was an aberration that happens less often than not. Plus it helps when you have a really good coach in Rick Carlisle. VDN is not even in the same class as Carlisle.
- Clipped
  
  “He needs to improve on his defense and decision making …”
  
  Really? Even after 12 season in the league? And you can still ask for multi-year deal and get it in the process?
  
  Just SHIP him over to NBDL.
  - LojikReazon
    
    ‘Clipped’ it’s comments like these that piss me off!
    
    So, ship Crawford to the NBDL? Is he really that bad bro?
  - psuangelraider94
    
    Crawford is marginally better than Mo Williams and that marginal difference is his height. Otherwise, Mo and Crawford are basically identical in their playing styles.
    
    – This actually says a lot. Mo was on and off – but his ‘tude seemed to be consistent. Sometimes I wondered if “team” was in any of his thought process. He helped, but not on def and he was 6-0
- stuck in the desert
  
  Seriously. I have to believe that at least a call was made to CP3 and he said yes and that’s all I need to know. I’m plenty interested in whatever deals are going down with the Clips and also check the news daily to see what’s happening around the league. But I’m not gonna trip out with coulda, shoulda, woulda armchair GM B.S.
  I’m anxious to see who we have come November and I’m psyched to embrace that crew and watch them kill it.
Yaroslav Korolev

Screw Nick Young we gotta get Brandon Rush because he’s really “good” right Charlie? Guaranteed finals trip with that lad.
LojikReazon

…. One more caveat … we have 2 former 6th man of the Year players (Crawford 2009 & Odom 2010) on our Clipper team. I like Nick Young & even Courtney Lee, but seriously …. it ain’t no competition or worth noting as an argument. Crawford is better! Who do you think Kobe respects more?
- Clips4
  
  It doesn’t matter who Kobe respects more. Courtney Lee has finals experience that Crawford doesn’t. There was a reason why Crawford never made it into the playoffs until he was 8 or 9 years into his NBA career while Courtney Lee made the finals as a rookie on a Magic team that had no business of getting there.
  - BelgianClipper
    
    We wouldn’t have gotten lee anyway. Guy will be looking for $$$
  - LojikReazon
    
    Dwight Howard had nothing to do with that Finals appearrance?
    
    Stop it with the Courtney Lee madness! This is the only forum that elevates him, like Bledsoe to unrealistic heights in terms of talent.
    
    In other words; “He Iight.” He’s not a Superstar.
    - Clips4
      
      Yes, D12 had a lot to do with it but you cannot understate the experience Lee gained going through the process.
The Blakers

According to Kevin Arnovitz on twitter, Clippers could have offered him crawford money, but we couldn’t have offered him what Philly offered him (it was above the MLE). And I love Nick Young as much as the next guy and i am sad to see him leave, but you all complain about Crawfords shooting %, but Nick Young had a shooting % of below 40% while on the clips too.
- Clips4
  
  How much of that was a byproduct of VDN not putting Young in positions to succeed and the fact that Young came in halfway through the season whereas Crawford despite having no training camp was with the same team the entire year?
  - The Blakers
    
    probably had a factor but considering he went from 42% to 39.5% it couldn’t have been that huge. Plus Crawford did play pg at times and that isn’t the position he thrives in. Also, with his team collapsing and going through rebuilding mid season, that probably had another negative effect on his game
    - http://www.clipperblog.com Charlie Widdoes
      
      The thing about Young is that his FG% is never going to be that high because he’s a jump shooting wing, but he makes up for it from three (like Chauncey Billups), which Crawford does not. He is also a better defender.
      - http://clipperblog Gary
        
        If we all knew what the results would be before they suit up, we’d all be in Vegas betting millionaires! I know you guys have jobs to do, but let’s face it, with all due respect, you didn’t like the CP3 deal, felt we were giving up too much and not replicating Sam Presti.
  - LojikReazon
    
    …. more excuses. Who cares why we couldn’t offer Young more or “it was a byproduct of blah, blah, blah!
    
    Jamal Crawford is our guy now!
http://marinatedsports.tumblr.com MarinatedSports

Following @shighkinNBA on Twitter is easily the most concerning part of the Jamal Crawford signing. The dude acts like it’s the worst signing EVER.
- http://www.clipperblog.com Charlie Widdoes
  
  Sean has watched a lot of Crawford. But given the cap and roster implications for this team at this time, I think he also recognizes how little sense it makes. Crawford accomplishes nothing of what they were looking for, and yet they overpaid in dollars and years for the pleasure of giving him playing time over more deserving players such as Eric Bledsoe and the other SG options on the market.
  - http://marinatedsports.tumblr.com MarinatedSports
    
    I agree with a lot of Mr. Highkin’s tweets about the matter… It just worries me that somebody who probably watched 95% of Blazers games last year is that low on him.
    
    I feel like Vinny just watched tape from when LAC played Portland and saw how well Crawford played (that go-ahead shot that he hit before CP3 hit the game-winner in the last meeting was pretty remarkable).
    
    Is there any word on how much money is guaranteed in Years 3 and 4 of the contract? Not that it matters, I can’t imagine Sterling paying somebody not to play for the Clips.
ClipMet

Jamal Crawford is a far more complete player than Nick Young. I love Swaggy P and who will ever forget his incredible 3 point barrage against the Grizzlies but make no mistake, Jamal Crawford does more than just match Nick’s scoring… he can create plays on offense, pass and drive the lane which is much more dimensional than Nick Young. The combination of signing Crawford and resigning Billups is a huge upgrade over Nick Young and Randy Foye. CP3 will absolutley make Jamal look better as he will not be taking as many ill advised shots at the end of broken down plays because he is going to be the 4th option instead of 2nd or 3rd on his previous teams. He has also never played with a point guard such as CP3. Chris will make him much better and he is already a solid player. Let’s look at the collective moves during the offseason in whole. Lamar, Jamal and Chauncey plus whoever we get to back up Deandre. We need more complete players that can do more than one thing well. Jamal shoots, drives and passes well. He is a shot creator whereas Nick is not. Definitely and upgrade over last year and Ray Allen is too old and coming off an injury so that was not the better option. One more thought… How many times did we need another shot creator with length last year when CP3 was tired and Blake didn’t have it going? Jamal provides more scoring punch.
- JaySee
  
  Sorry, but your argument makes no sense. Why would we need Crawford as a playmaker when we have CP3, Billups, and Bledsoe? Crawford will not be playing ANY minutes at the 1 unless 2 of the 3 go down with injuries. Nick Young showed he will make the extra pass and he DOES have the ability to drive and create his own shot. Young had identical FT attempts as Crawford while playing a more prominent role on the Wizards similar to Crawford. More importantly Young can play minutes at the 3 and plays better defense, which is exactly what the Clippers need and Crawford has no ability what so ever to supply.
  
  Those times when CP3 was tired and Blake had nothing… that’s when Mo Williams lit it up. Going forward it will be Bledsoe’s job to drive and dish, not Crawford’s.
  - The Doc
    
    Bro please read before commenting.
    
    He explained why we need another playmaker-when cp3 is tired or on the bench, and bg does not have his game going.
    
    Also, you say “another” playmaker as if we had a ton of them. We only had cp3 and a bit of chauncy. Griffins post game was too unreliable to be the go-to guy.
    - JaySee
      
      Bro please read before commenting.
      
      I explained why we don’t need another playmaker and that we do in fact have enough of them.
RG12

Enough energy wasted on guard deals that are done. Lets talk about the gaping hole in the roster for another big. Also, is Gomes destined to be a backup SF ?
- Patrick
  
  Bobby Simmons… Clips backup sf 4 life!!!!
  - Clips4
    
    No to Bobby Simmons. He’s a shell of the player he used to be. I’ll take Bobby Simmons circa 2004 if that is what is being proposed.
  - JaySee
    
    I like what we saw from Simmons. He’s a decent backup, but it would be much better to get someone ahead of him and have him at the end of the bench like last year in case of injuries.
- The Doc
  
  I will love to give gomes another chance.
Lob City PD

We have to keep in mind that the MLE is based on an average NBA player salary. Above average players are going to command a higher salary. Even if a player looks like he will be better than average in the future, some team will over pay (i.e. Landry Fields, Jeff Green, Batum etc…). The only way to field an above average team and not overpay is to find gems in the draft (or everyone agrees to be underpaid i.e. Lebron, Wade, Bosh). Given the available options with the MLE, I don’t know how people can be mad with signing Crawford.

Also, Crawford’s contract details aren’t available yet. It maybe 4 years but could have team options the last two years. Saying we’ve mortgaged our future over an MLE signing where we don’t even have all the facts is asinine.
Clips4

Excellent article from Yahoo on the Crawford signing.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/clippers-sign-jamal-crawford-four-years-first-one-230112035–nba.html;_ylt=AnWGjeQ7nuaFqj.GzFcsU0.8vLYF;_ylu=X3oDMTN1cms4NWlzBG1pdANGRUFUVVJFRCBNZWdhdHJvbiBOQkEEcGtnA2Q3YTM5MDc5LWUxMzEtM2U1Ny1iMDU0LTVjMTg0NjQ2Y2JmOARwb3MDNgRzZWMDbWVnYXRyb24EdmVyAzI5YmY3ZDcwLWM3OTctMTFlMS1iZmYxLTI3NWQ0ODNlYzU0OQ–;_ylg=X3oDMTFoNjVvZWVyBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANuYmEEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3
- Liveperl
  
  Exactly. Good article. I’ll add if the Clips are stuck with a declining Crawford in year 3 and 4 (which are seemingly not guaranteed) – so what? They’ll trade or dump the contract like every team does.
  
  Clips think Billups will be healed and the starter. Crawford is a great 6th man. Bledsoe learns more behind CP. Guards are set for this season.
  
  Now can we please turn attention to what C will come in and challenge/overtake DJ?
  - Clips4
    
    If Jamal Crawford declines this year, we’re stuck with him just like we were with Caron.
http://barmapla.com FD

It’s hard to tell but it seems like CP3 is telling the Clippers who to sign and go after. If CP3 is the real GM and thats what he wants to do, then he might want to stay with the Clippers. If this is the case then Crawford is a good signing because CP3 wanted it.

If you say no to CP3 and sign someone else, then CP3 won’t resign because he doesn’t have control of the team. I have no clue what going on, but if Crawford, Billups and CP3 are all good friends then that’s what it sounds like.
- Tim
  
  If thats what it takes for CP to be a Clipper for life, then so be it!!! After his playing days are over, make him the GM, and hire Chauncey as Head Coach, whatever, just win baby!
  - Liveperl
    
    All true. Let CP do what he wants. Man, Clips finally have a superstar or two. Keep him happy!
    - Tim
      
      Chris Paul is our Danny Ainge, our Larry Bird, he should be a Clipper for life, and then be a GM at the end of his playing days, and if so, let him start making decisions now.
Tim

So, how did things work out for Sessions? Is he going to get that multi year deal? Now, thats’ greatness.
- Bongstradamus
  
  they talked to him every day until Nash called Kobe. It’s Steve Nash man. Nobody expected that to happen
  
  Dude wants to start, probably gonna be a Mav now. On a multiyear deal.
  - Tim
    
    I’m just wondering how that translates into greatness. Great players take that starting position for the marquee franchise, and don’t lose their jobs to rookies who played 12 games in college, or 39 yr guys.
    - Bongstradamus
      
      2 time MVP.
      
      Just can’t compete with that.
      - Tim
        
        And rookie with 12 college games under his belt?
      - Bongstradamus
        
        Sorry, I’m lost man. Who’s the rookie with 12 college games? I don’t understand the context here.
        
        Sessions stopped negotiating with LA after Nash signed. He wants to start.
      - Tim
        
        Sessions was there free and clear, Baron Davis on his way out, instead of telling Session, (you’re the man) they move forward with drafting Kyrie Irving, a 1 and doner who only played 12 games as a freshmen at Duke, and the Cavs thought highly enough of Sessions to go right ahead and draft the guy 12 games removed from being in highschool to start ahead of Sessions. So in essence, Sessions isn’t better than the highschooler or the Geritol guy. That’s not great, is what I’m thinking.
      - Clips4
        
        Dan Gilbert wanted to replace Sessions because you do that when you get the #1 pick in the draft and if you want to rebuild by shedding salary. Sessions is a good player, just Gilbert didn’t want to pay him. Plus when the #1 player in the draft happens to play the same position as a good player you already have on your roster, you’re basically going into full-rebuilding mode. The Cavs in a few years will have a good team with Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson, and their new guy Waiters. That’s why they’re also trying to shop Varejao too to trade him.
      - Tim
        
        If you have a great player in Sessions, and you have the #1 pick who projects as Irving, then you trade the #1 pick, and build the team around Sessions, but the Cavs knew that the guy who was only 12 games removed from highschool was still better than anything they had on their roster. The 39yr old was better than anything the Lakes had on their roster too, and its arguable that the 37yr old that Sessions replaced was better too. Sessions is just not good. With all the dominoes falling the point guard game, why is Sessions still out there? Even Lowry landed somewhere, and he didn’t even play hardly last year, geez. There’s a saying, a fool and his money are soon parted. Sessions should have kept that 4.5 he had on the table with the Lakes, good luck getting that on the open market.
      - Bongstradamus
        
        Kyrie Irving was #1 pick. You’re going all in a #1 pick.
        
        Gilbert Arenas got benched for John Wall. Dude was an All-Star on a $100M deal. It’s just reality. (there was the gun thing to, but still)
        
        You can still play the position of guard at a “great” level and not be a superstar scorer. Russell Westbrook is a terrible point guard, positionally, but he’s an amazing talent and a superstar scorer. Ricky Rubio plays point guard at a “superior” level, hell he’s the Richard Feynman of point guards obsessed with the superfluidity of basketball, but he isn’t a superstar scorer.
        
        That was the context we were talking about in a comment from a post 2 months ago you cant seem to forget.
The Blakers

Anyone thinking of going for Elton Brand. I know it would be a bitter sweet sort of thing but we need some big man depth and he can play center
- Clips4
  
  Brand is undersized and does not have the athleticism he used to to be able to lay center.
  - The Blakers
    
    thats true but when u think about it he is still better than some centers that are available. We needed a center last year, and we got soloman jones, and we all know how that turned out. at least we know brand has enough skill to play 2nd string
    - Clips4
      
      It turns out that more often than not, the Clippers always picks up players that don’t fit what we need, I.e. Solomon Jones, Jamal Crawford, Brian Cook
http://barmapla.com FD

So Eric Gordon will be pissed if the Hornets match the Suns offer? I don’t know what will happen, but what does he expect. The Hornets are very low on cap space and need to pay people to reach the min requirement. I think they basically have to match. He should have just waited it out another year. He’s gonna be stuck there forever.
Jgroove

Charlie – losing respect for you. You’ve completely misjudged Nick Young.
- http://www.clipperblog.com Charlie Widdoes
  
  Jgroove — I respect your opinion regardless, but I hope we are clear on one thing: I do not think Nick Young is some sort of elite shooting guard. But I know that Jamal Crawford sure as hell isn’t, either. My problem is with the team’s priorities that become evident when they decide to give Crawford more years and similar dollars, rather than go with the younger/better incumbent or a multitude of other options out there.
DeMote DeAndre

Good news that the second string guard on the second worst team in the NBA last year is gone.

Naturally people here want to pretend he was something he wasn’t, just like they did with Olshey and just like they do with Big Smokey.
- Clips4
  
  Who the heck are you talking about?
DeMote DeAndre

In today’s LA Times, Broderick Turner said the Clippers are seriously considering signing Hollins (7′ center who was with Boston last year) with their mini exception (or whatever it’s called).

If they do, that will be a plus because he can back up Odom, who should be starting at center . . . if the Clippers can’t get Howard.

I think the Clippers have more of a shot at Howard than most other people think. The only way Lopez and Humphries will go along with a sign and trade to Orlando is if both of them are given max contracts, and I doubt Orlando would want to take on two max contracts for questionable players.

Surely other teams are going to offer Lopez a deal and it will be interesting to see what comes of those offers . . . same with Humphries.

I expect Bynum would rather get a max contract someplace other than Orlando.
- Clips4
  
  The Clips need to exercise patience and see what Minnesota do with Darko Milicic. If Darko gets amnestied and passes through waivers, then the Clippers can use their mini MLE on Darko. Better yet, the Clipper should try to lowball Darko into the vet’s minimum.
Drew

To pile onto the mountain of evidence that this is a tentative and unimaginative front office is the fact that Andy Miller, as agent for both Chauncey and Jamal Crawford, has seemingly provided the GM amalgam with the misguided “convenience” of one-stop shopping. Shame on Mr. Miller for selling snake oil to the scared and gullible.
http://clipperblog Gary

As long as CP3, BG and EB are together, all the other parts are adjustable! Seems like the front office is going for chemistry, which is important nowadays! I’d rather watch a team that likes each other and roots each other on, then just a bunch of selfish players that don’t like each other. Peace out!
Tim

Everyone is worried about new bench players. Lets not forget something! Our off-season was guaranteed to be great the minute Blake Griffin let it be known that he’s signing for 5yrs and 95Million. All this other stuff is nice to kick around for a minute, but lets not lose sight on whats really important. It’ll be the same deal next off season. We can talk about who will replace so and so way down at the end of the bench and all, but the real story will be when CP3 signs the max. If he doesn’t, then we had a bad off-season, if he does, we had a great off-season. Blake locked up for 5? That’s HUGE!
- Old Skool Clip Fan
  
  I’m with you. All this negativity is ridiculous. Most teams have their 2 or 3 core guys and move pieces around them. Every year. We have CP3 and Blake. Everyone else is a rental. We could trade most of these other guys in a heartbeat if needed – they’re quality. Why stress this??!!
  - http://www.clipperblog.com Charlie Widdoes
    
    Jamal Crawford qualifies as neither a rental, nor an easily movable piece, just for what that is worth.
    
    You guys are welcome to have standards that are satisfied by Blake Griffin doing what every other player in the history of the game has done — sign a max extension to his rookie contract when offered — but I have news for you: there is a lot more going on to talk about than that.
Bootstrenf

as much as I hated brand when he dumped us at the alter, I think he could really add that depth at the 4/5 spots…yeah he lost a step, but his game was predicated on great post positioning, and his incredibly long wingspan…and he can still hit that 15-18 footer… I think a Paul/brand pick and roll can be a real weapon for us and Blake could learn a few things from brand in the rebounding department…

I see brand as richman’s version of the Evans/ Martin combo that we had last year…. Brand can rebound like Evans, play defense like kmart, and he is better offensively than both of them…..

Oh yeah, we NEED livingston back…probably sign him for cheap, is a great perimeter defe
- Bootstrenf
  
  Defender that seems to have his confidence back… he could play from 1-3 spots, and I think he would be that glue guy we need…
  
  Cp3. /. Bledsoe
  billups. /. Crawford
  Butler. /. Lo
  Griffin. /. Lo
  DJ. /. ????
  
  With Livy to back up the 1-3 spots
  
  I see a versatile lineup and all we need is a backup 5
  
  With livinston t
- Clips4
  
  No to Livingston. After he blew out his knee, he lost his athleticism and his confidence. Plus he’s too weak to guard 2′s and 3′s.
Tim

The Heat won the championship because Lebron elevated his game. Sure, Miller had a nice game here or there, and Chalmers showed up on 1 occassion, but mostly it was their best player playing at his best. My point is, if Blake Griffin soaks up this Olympic experience the way most players do, BG will be going to the next level, which is going to carry the Clippers much further than where they went this year, and having Mo, or Crawford, or Young vs Billups isn’t going to matter as much as Blake taking his game to the next level. I still like adding Chauncey, Crawford and Odom, and subtrating Mo, Young, and Evans. If we lose Foye, I think Livingston would be a better replacement as well. Foye made some 3′s but did little else, at least Livingston plays both ends of the floor. Like I said though, if Blake steps up, none of this other stuff will really matter all that much. Its a stars league.

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