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That’s why Chris Paul is the MVP, best closer in the game, but DJ earned some stripes tonight, no doubt! Demote, stay back, shut up, obviously you don’t know the game baby!!! Clips4? So much for Clippers losing at Utah, I guess you got to come up with something else, like I said, maybe sometime in February.
Hey, I’m happy the Clippers proved me wrong. I’m ecstatic about the victory but would have been completely okay if they lost. It’s one of those scheduled losses that I would have been cool with and I think most people would have been okay with. It brings to light their suspect perimeter defense though. I wonder why VDN took so long to figure out that Foye would stop lighting us up if Barnes were to be put on him. Willie Green was ineffective and Bledsoe just had a horrible night. Crawford showed he can’t play defense effectively and the team needed to play great team defense to hide his shortcomings.
Their half-court execution also looked sloppy too as they kept running everything through their 5 plays – iso CP3, iso Blake on the left block, iso Jamal Crawford, high pick and roll, and side pick and roll. The Jazz showed hard on those picks to cut off CP3 and stifle the other ball handlers. I would hope VDN would implement some of Jerry Sloan’s flex offense having known what kind of personnel he has. Their half-court execution is something they need to fall back on so that they can impose their will when the game slows down. The Clippers are at their best when they play chaotic defense and can get out in transition. When those opportunities aren’t there, they need reliable half-court sets. VDN has not improved in the X’s and O’s department and he needs to.
Having said all that, who knew the Clippers were capable of going into Utah, on the second night of a back to back and get the win, in a game where Odom was off, Bledsoe was off, Barnes didn’t have it working, Jamal was noticeably off, and Turiaf largely ineffective? William Green was a green-horn out there. The Clippers had nothing going, but the starters have been so rested for such an extended period this season, all we really needed was Barnes to stop Foye. CP, Blake, DJ, and Caron was still too much for the Jazz in the Salt Lake. Guess what? They won that game using Vinny’s system, in fact Vinnys system has worked to the tune of 16 straight wins, come again, your argument what??? Sunday will close the greatest December in Clippers history, and one of the greatest months of basketball played by any team in NBA history, running the Vincent Joseph Del Negro system you alluded to earlier in your rant. The Clippers can play sub-.500 ball the rest of the season, and still earn more wins that Kevin Arnowitz predicted (49)… You so called experts don’t get it. The Clippers are better on the hard wood than they are on paper, and on paper, it looks BEASTLY, and as BEASTLY as it looks, theres’ nothing like it around the league. Remember when the 76ers made the deal to get Moses Malone, and the 76ers sort of swept right through the NBA that year, kinda killing every team in its path? This Clippers team has that kinda feel to it. Its a tidal wave, that will end up crashing against the shores of the Larry O’Brien title, and when we have our parade down Figueroa, you can wave!
When you bring up when Moses Malone was brought to Philly, you’re dating yourself. I was not even born yet when that happened. How sustainable do you think it will be with VDN’s lack of X’s and O’s in the playoffs when he will be coaching against proven tacticians in George Karl and Greg Poppovich? Scot Brooks also has experience from getting to the WCF and Finals the past couple years. Lionel Hollins is still one of the most underrated coaches in the NBA. If we also make it to the NBA finals, he’ll have to go up against either Erik Spoelstra who has a ring or Mike Woodson who has proven himself as a good coach.
X’s and O’s may not matter as much in the regular season, but when the playoffs come and the game slows down, like I said, half-court execution needs to be there and that’s one of the main flaws of this team. Last night’s win was a combination of the Clippers making a concerted effort to play harder on defense and the Jazz making dumb mistakes to implode (The Clipper defense in the second half was 90% responsible for the comeback).
It’s a very objective analysis. Every team has their weaknesses but can the pros (swarming defense to cause turnovers and get out on the fast break) overcome their weaknesses (half-court offense and getting out on shooters)? This remains to be seen.
If Mo Williams is out again on Sunday, then the Clippers need to make a concerted effort to make Randy Foye put the ball on the ground because Foye was always a terrible finisher and couldn’t create for himself off the dribble. The Clippers need to also chase their shooters off the 3-point line. I predict a win here.
Ok, so lets reset one of your other takes. Blake, DJ and CP played extended minutes….I didn’t see any GASSED players out there, did you??? Gassed, that’s lame.
Blake and CP3 are used to playing heavy minutes. Blake was the high in 39 mninutes and nobody played more than 39 minutes. For the season, the 39 and 38 minutes that Blake and CP3 respectively had would be heavy. In terms of where they were for their careers, not so much. DJ had 33 which is roughly 8 minutes more than he has averaged this season. I’m talking about a doubling in minutes is when you get tired and gassed. Bledsoe last year essentially played double the amount of minutes he was used to in the playoffs compared to in the regular season. I was happy to see DJ get his reps in the 4th quarter and it does a lot for his confidence. If DJ is having to play about 40 minutes a game in the playoffs, then that is when I would be concerned that he is not logging at least 30 minutes a game now. In tight games, I would love to see DJ play in the 4th. That one freethrow that CP3 also missed last night that would have sealed the victory with the Clips up 115 to 112 and Blake would not have had that foul on Al Jefferson to cause Big Al to tie it up at 114 all, CP3 rectified it and we got a lucky call on the ensuing possession when Big Al fouled CP3. I think he was tired but when you’re one of the ultimate closers in the game, you live for that kind of situation.
Which is exactly why I think its going to be a while before the Clippers lose. The chances of the Tribe collectively struggling again like they did last night, is unlikely, and in those situations, they have the ultimate MVP-type player to bail them out. Cliff Pauls brother is stingy, and its that type of greed that will keep this winning streak alive. Chris Paul wants to win every game, and hates losing more than he like winning. Look for the blow out on Sunday, and look for DJ, and all the other starters to be sitting waving towels in the 4th.
Utah is a well-coached team and their talent is decent. I cannot expect a blowout. We just can’t let any of their shooters get hot like Foye did and we need to stop Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap and we’ll be okay. The game shouldn’t be as out of hand as it was last night because there is no elevation to give the Jazz an advantage.
The trend is that Crawford shows out at home in front of the home folks. He feeds off the energy, it is what it is. I respect what Al-Jeff and Mill bring to the table, but DJ and Blake is much greater, that’s the fact of the matter. Clippers are well coached as well, have to be after 16 straight, no other way to look at that. Foye is as streaky as the loser runnin’ down the 50 yard line in any big game you ever saw, he’ll be layin’ bricks like old times, like when he was MIA for the entire playoffs last year, and I was the biggest Foye supporter, but lets be real… If someone ain’t telling Randy Foye “your good enough, your smart enough and dog done it, people like you” the man falls completely apart, thats real. Randys line on 12/30/2012, 8 pts, on 3 of 13 from the field, 2 made free throws during garbage time, no assists, no rebounds, 4 turnovers, in 23 minutes played. Clippers 109 Jazz 92, starters sit the 4th, as customary with blow up victory, credit the Del Negro way for getting things done around here!!!
Uhhhh….. I do not think that that will be the stat-line for Foye….
Foye on December 3 had 19 points on 7 of 11 shooting. He was 3 for 7 from 3 point range with 2 of 3 FT’s.
Mo Williams on December 3 had 20 points on 7 of 11 shooting. He was also 3 for 7 from 3 point range and made 3 of 3 FT’s. He also had 12 assists.
As a team, the Jazz shot 9 for 20 from 3 that night and had an overall FG% of 56.8%. They out-rebounded LAC 41 to 36.
Last night’s game, Foye went for 28 points on 8 of 13 shooting and 5 for 9 from 3pt. range. He also went 7 of 8 from FT. Last night’s game as a team, the Jazz and LAC pretty much played evenly. Rebounds were a wash as were points in the paint. In the second half, the Clippers played more aggressively and executed better on defense and down the stretch. Turnovers and fouls were pretty much a wash. The Jazz though did go 9 for 15 from 3pt range. We also sent the Jazz to the FT line way too much by fouling and playing sloppy. The Jazz shot 40 FT’s last night and made 37 of them. The saving grace was that the Jazz were called for basically the same amount of fouls (32 to LAC’s 29) and LAC shot 41 FT’s but made 33 of them.
Foye just has it in him to have a big game against LAC because he feels slighted and unwanted by them. I know you were a huge Foye supporter last year but Foye is who he is and he is what I knew and expected him to be having watched him play since he was drafted in the league. He is a knockdown shooter who can’t create a shot for himself or others and is terrible off the dribble. He is also a poor finisher at the rim. I said these things last year and you rode me on it. Foye is who he is and if VDN learned something from last night’s game, it’s that tomorrow night, Willie Green can’t guard Foye. I would make a lineup change and stick Bledsoe in to guard Foye and then bring in Barnes to guard Foye to spell him. Green should get a DNP in my book tomorrow for matchup purposes. I hope LAC’s half-court execution isn’t going to be as sloppy as it was last night and I hope they will bring the energy on defense and play clean defense without fouling.
So tired of all the negativity re: Vdn. He’s deserving of coach of the year as of right now! There’s more to coaching than x’s and 0′s. His players have bought into his defensive and offensive ideas. The players both like and respect him. He’s the orchestrator of what you see every night. And his ability to call plays is far better than you credit him. His preparation for games is reflected in the team’s play. He is the perfect coach for this team. Ask Matt Barnes who he credits for his great season. Ask Jamal Crawford the same. 24 and 6 is not good enough for you? It was his move to put Barnes on foye. Sorry it wasn’t on your time table but he did make that move and it was in time to get the win. As for the playoffs, both you and Charles Barkley have the same concerns. And you are both dead wrong. Last season the clippers coached, of course, by del negro, beat Memphis in a half court series with a much less talented team. They lost to San Antonio mostly because their 2 best players were injured and they were a far less talented group. As long as they play with the defensive intensity they’ve displayed most of the time this year, they’ll be fine. Plus, there’ no written rule that says you have to play slow in the playoffs. If they get 11 steals per game or anywhere close, they will still have opportunities to run and score in transition. In the half court pick and roll, pick and pop, back door and offensive rebounding, an occasional isolation for Crawford, griffin, Paul, etc plus moving the ball as they usually do, will result in a lot of wins, possibly our first championship. All of last year, despite no preseason, 9 new players joining the team at different times, and no practice time, Vinny del negro guided the clippers to their best winning percentage of all time and all I heard were fire del negro comments, which I defended all year. Now, he has the best record in the nba and those nit picking complaints keep on coming. Enough. Let’s get in the moment and enjoy this team and their great coaching staff. Btw, come playoffs we should also have 2 more weapons: cauncey bill ups and grant hill. Both of whom are good half court players.
Mv22, that was beautiful, what you just said right there. You and I are in the minority, but I think Vinny is doing a great job. Only 2 other coaches in NBA history have achieved what the Clippers can achieve this coming Sunday. I credit the system of one Vincent Joseph Del Negro, and Mv22, like Vic the Brick, “I’m Feeling YOU!”
Good to see somebody agrees with me re: Vdn. The over emphasis on his perceived weakness eg, lack o intricate plays, is way over blown. Mike dunleavy micromanaged us right out of the playoffs vs Phoenix a few years ago by subbing in a 6 ft. Rookie who hadn’t played one minute that game, 16 seconds on the clock and leading by 2. He gets forced into a switch onto 6’5″ raja bell and bell nails a three right over him. Dunleavy the tactician had a play book so thick nobody could remember the plays. Vdn is under rated re: his play calling savvy. I’ve seen him call a few beautiful plays especially after time outs. But his real strength is leadership. This is his team. He brought in ociepka to shore up the defense, thate to work with Blake’s shooting, had deandre work with ivaroni on his game, gave the team an identity and. His players fell in line with his system and are out there executing it every night. This is a team that plays team basketball. Vdn has them prepared. John wooden said 90 percent of coaching is done in practice. So all this so called tactical genius of coaches is way over rated. Here’s a great tactic. Put the ball in cp3′s hands in a close game with 20 seconds left and a chance to tie or win the game and you’re a tactica genius. One more comment: del negro has consistently improved his coaching ability every season and will grow along with the players. He, by his own admission, realizes he has areas to improve in and he’s as hard a worker as his players are. Who could do a better job with this team? Nobody!
Mv22? I feel like its you and me vs Clips4 and Bong to convince the universe that Vinny is viable. No one else see’s what we see. I read a recent post that still put Lionel Hollins ahead of Vinny, even though Vinny outcoached Hollins, without homecourt advantage, defeated him in a Game 7 situation on the road, and came back against him in Game 1 in historic proportions, coaching a team with a starter in Randy Foye who was the proverbial deer in the headlights, as the Clippers were a flawed line-up by everyone admission, but still defeated this Hollins coached team. How can Lionel Hollins ever be considered a better coach than Vincent Joseph Del Negro going forward, but there are people on here that will tell you Hollins is better. SMH!!!!!
Like I said, all teams have weaknesses (even championship teams). The difference between the teams that win the championship and those that don’t are that their pros outweigh and minimize the mistakes of their cons. As it is right now, the Clippers defense and transition game is outweighing their lack of a half-court offense. I give VDN credit for getting better as a coach in terms of defense and teaching the team how to play good defense. There is a lot more iso ball right now than there was last year mainly because Crawford is the second guy who can create his own shot unlike last year where nobody outside of CP3 could create his own shot. I agree that there is more to coaching than X’s and O’s. VDN has all the other things to his credit EXCEPT X’s and O’s. Greg Poppovich didn’t win 4 rings because he can’t coach X’s and O’s. Phil Jackson didn’t win 11 rings because he can’t coach X’s and O’s. VDN is up there in terms of all the great motivators. You cannot be a great coach without being a great motivator and keeping the locker room stable. However, you also cannot be a great coach if you are not also a great tactician. That’s the simple truth of the matter. It remains to be seen whether VDN is a championship caliber coach. I have watched way too much basketball over the years to be able to tell who is a championship caliber coach and who isn’t. Out of all the coaches who have won rings in the past decade or so, Spoelstra is probably the weakest of all the coaches. In terms of team talent, our 2012-13 Clippers is far superior to the 2011 Dallas Mavericks championship team. Just like in terms of talent, the 2011 Miami Heat was the much more talented team. The difference was the coaching. Rick Carlisle is a far superior coach to Spoelstra. Carlisle is also a far superior coach to VDN. The only way VDN can prove to me that he is not just a great motivator but also can do X’s and O’s is in the playoffs and he wins a championship. Once he wins the championship, I’ll get off his back. Otherwise, his sample size is too small to compare to other coaches like Rick Adelman, Tom Thibideau, Nate McMillan, Stan Van Gundy, and Jerry Sloan – coaches who have much bigger sample sizes but never won championships.
Plus, Nate McMillan, Stan Van Gundy, and Rick Adelman have done more with far less talented teams than what VDN is doing now.
To your comment on Matt Barnes. Matt Barnes has not put up numbers like this since he played for that 2006 GSW team where their system was basically uptempo all the time. The difference between that team and the 2012-13 Clippers is that the Clippers actually play team defense. VDN has earned the right to finish the season. I’m off the “firing” bandwagon. Ultimately, VDN’s coaching credibility will come depending on how the team does in the playoffs. If we lose in the 2nd round or the WCF, how close are the games? If we get swept, if he gets outcoached routinely, then that will determine how good of a coach VDN is. Like I said, I have seen too many other good coaches do more with less talented teams than the ones VDN had last year and in Chicago.
Dating myself? I just remember with Mo cheeks, Toney, the Doc, and Moses, the 76ers washed through the regular season like Super Storm Sandy, and left a wave of destruction everywhere, and when Michael Cooper got posterized by the Doc in the Finals it was over already. The Clippers are elite, have taken it to the next level, and people have to recognize right now, this is the number 1, top numero uno level, and only 1 team per year can ascend to this lofty performance level, and this year its the Clippers, no doubt about it. The Clippers will dominate, Vinny will be coach of the year, Chris Paul will be MVP, Crawford or Barnes will be 6th man, Odom might get considerations for Comeback Player of the Year, and Blake is going to get Playoffs MVP. Its the perfect storm, the Clippers are an overnight success. It doesn’t happen often, but people like Elvis, the Jacksons, Michael Jordan, Mike Tyson, do come from somewhere, and at some point, the foregone conclusion is that these Mo-Fos is the shiss-nick, and the Clippers are going from obscurity into that “Oh My God, these fools is off the chain” status right now. Recognize!!! Going from the infant stage to, the internet is in every household in America like status, recognize. For Laker fans, its that sinking like feeling republicans must has felt, when it was obvious that it was gonna be another 4 years of Obama. Don’t be that Romney supporter thinking your vote counts for something, doubting Vinny. Don’t waste your vote. Vinny is going to win in a landslide, trust me. If you aren’t on the Vinny bandwagon, its as hopeless as Romneys 47% speech, and we all know that didn’t go over so well. Clips4, can you hear me??? You heard? Word, peace!
I voted Obama. I never cared for Romney because Romney wasn’t specific in what his actual plan was. Obama though some of his policies were kind of mind-boggling in how he would actually implement it, had a vision for what to do.
Hey clips4, I got friends in Staton Island, who especially got hit by the Super storm, so relax, you aren’t the only one on here with ties to the east. Sandy was overwhelming, just as the Clips appear to be, it is what it is. Vinnys system or lack there-of is as mind-boggling as the 2 term brotha, however, at the end of the day, a win is a win. As a long-suffer-er on both levels, I’ll take it!
Tim, that is not cool with me with how you describe the 76ers like Hurricane Sandy. I had friends on the east coast were endangered from it who thankfully were ultimately okay. Please do not make ill-advised comparisons to basketball teams to natural disasters in the future.
I agree with this 100%! And the sentiment at the time? Dr.J didn’t have the substance as a player to get a ring. Well here comes Moses Malone and fow,fow,fow! A very unique and memorable phenomena. Total domination! Never seen any thing before or since that compares to it. So nice analogy! Very appropriate yet maybe a little premature. (No Ring) I wonder how that Team would have fared against the 72-10 Bulls? Would have been epic! I was a huge Julius fan and he was always being discredited by some. Most dominant one year run I have ever seen.
Exactly, this year, this team has that dominance, and as talented as the Thunder may be, I think the Clippers are just going to be too much, just like the 76ers were that year, even though the Lakers were talented, and the Celtics were stacked, the 76ers came on like a tidal wave, kinda like how these Clippers are doing this year. That clipper horse is way down the road now, and I don’t think anyone is going to be able to get that baby back in the yard. That horse is galloping at full speed, and by the time it slows down it’ll be sometime in late June, long after ring sizes have been measured, and new banners have been drawn up.
Couple of thoughts….. He takes some well deserved flack around here, but I thought Caron put in some gutsy minutes in 3rd and early 4th after a pretty good game last night. Also, why did it take Vinny so long to realize Willie couldnt cover Foye. Moment Barnes came in and D’d him up the game turned around. Also… No Bledsoe at the end when you absolutely need a stop (twice!) and u know u will be calling a TO before playing offense. That is frustrating. Good win though!
What are your thoughts on Clipper/Laker game if the streak is still going? would a loss affect the team mentally?
Let me add to your question. The Clippers are responsible for the
Laker’s roller coaster, for they are the team who handed the Lakers
their first 0-3 start for the first time since 1978. Here’s the
aftermath list for both teams:
- Clippers: Streaks of 4, 6 and
16, broken franchise records, top in the NBA, defeated elite teams, wild
card teams and lottery teams, Chauncey Billups brief return
- Lakers: Streak of 5, Mike Brown replaced by Bernie Bickerstaff and Mike D’Antoni, snubbed Phil Jackson, defeated some lottery teams and wild card teams, only true win was Knicks on XMas
By the way, I Would just like to say something to Randy Foye……..We GET it! You didn’t like us Letting you go!!! You can start playing crappy again please!
he had been until tonight…
mystery blogger x sounds alot like mr. widdoes…but we know it’s not him since he is covering the knicks and their collapse vs the kings…
you guys all at a clipperblog camp? I was scared to see a hollins and turiaf frontline when LO went down! It;s a scary thought to think about that…
Watershed moment was when Barnes matched up in Foye. That stemmed the Jazz flow and clippers started getting stops.
Really felt like that big comeback in last years finals against the grizzlies. Gutsy performance. This really shows the character of the clippers. Even though they’ve been feasting on cupcakes throughout December, they could still dig deep and get the win.
Isn’t there a rule that all CB staff should not be all at one place at any given time? (same as the president/Vice-president)-Just in case.
Best Tweet by andrewthehan- Chris Paul just made Hayward look like Bambi walking for the first time.
Also, surely winning so many games helps the Clippers secure a decent WC ladder position. Better to play 7th or 8th seed, rather than a 4/5 seed Grizzles like last year.
Not to look to far ahead, I’m more interested on how clippers play the warriors. Warriors are a good defensive rebounding team and how the clippers rotate to their shooters. Their bench is good, too. It’ll be a good test vs a more balanced team
I doubt Demote watched this game
the clipperblog meeting of the minds, plus dj foster. also, chris paul does chris paul things.
Clips4, like I said before, 17 wins is the marker. Other than Houston (Yao got hurt), no team in NBA history who compiled a 17 game win-streak has ever not made the Finals, and most have won championships. Given what the East has to offer this year, I don’t see the Clippers without that title, should they survive the West, and with home court looking like a real possibility, it may be a foregone conclusion. The Thunders only chance of beating the Clips in the west hinges on the home-court. Caron can guard KD, and everybody knows it.
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