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Barnes did his best JR Smith impression tonight: FG 8/20, 3PM-A 0/5, REB 0. Blake was 7/12, CP shot 6/11. Something wrong with that picture?
Barnes got a lot of wide open looks. Many of them were from passes from Griffin or Paul, by the way, so apparently, those guys don’t have a problem with him shooting. He missed at least two from point blank range and struggled from the field overall. Tired legs? 32 years old, high energy guy, at altitude, 2nd night of a back to back… perhaps there was a better strategy available, but I don’t have a problem with a guy taking open shots and hustling.
I understand that the team is going nowhere without CP3, but here’s a blasphemous statement. When is Vinny going to stand up to CP3 when Chris isn’t getting it done?
Don’t bother. I already know the answer; it’s never.
Vinny should have been more proactive pulling CP3 and Billups for Bledsoe and Green. However, it’s externally a highly questionable move and he’ll never risk it.
What’s really bad is that this will be looked upon as a reason to put the ball in Crawford’s hands instead of Bledsoe’s where it should be.
You already know people are going to say “this is a scheduled loss” blah blah blah. But I don’t like the laziness they display. They aren’t helping on D fast enough, rotations are horrible. The offense is just horrific. I’m tired of the 1on1 ball. CP cannot beat guys off the dribble with regularity. I honestly don’t know if its the coach or the players anymore.
They just look lost.
There are no such thing as scheduled losses at this stage of the season, especially when the team you’re scheduling the loss against could be one you’re playing in the playoffs.
Vinny’s gotta go.
He gave up on an 8 point game, with 10 minutes to go.
-He pulled CP3 when he was smoking hot and had just cut into the lead.
-He quit going to Blake on the block with the offense was humming, going through him.
-He left Caron in there, when he insisted on shooting fall away 18 footers, against a guy giving up 8 inches to him.
-Now that Willie is no longer a starter, there is no reason that he should come within one minute of Bledsoe’s time on the court.
-He stuck with a zone that was getting absolutely torched, after the short, initial success.
It’s becoming more and more clear that this roster covers for so many of his deficiencies. This team will not win anything in the playoffs with this dude running the show. Unless the Lakers make the playoffs, the Clippers will be on the short end of any coaching matchup and the roster will not take them past the 2nd round.
They’ve gotta get someone else in there, before the roster starts aging and windows start closing!
Another example of the Clippers letting the 4th worst 3pt. shooting team % wise light them up. Plus DJ only played 25 minutes. He would have been more effective in the game down the stretch and posting him up. Plus LAC went away from Blake at times which was mysterious.
I had no problem with the zone. We should have kept switching up between the 3-2 zone to the 2-3 zone to close out on corner 3′s. Half of Denver’s 3pt. damage came from corner 3′s.
If they were going to stay in that zone, Hill or Bled should have gotten more of Willie’s minutes. Hill brings smarts and length or Bled brings quickness and more length.
There was more head-scratchers in this game than any that I can remember this season. I think Vinny chalked this up as a loss after last night’s final buzzer.
I stayed up til 1:30 AM on the east coast to watch him give up.
No one may agree with me, but it looks like CP is coasting right now. He’s been dominated by the opposing guards of the good teams more than I can remember with no real resistance or counter. He’s not being aggressive in shooting. And while that’s nothing really new, tonight looked like he wasn’t really trying to win but just going through the motions knowing there’s a built in excuse of a b2b is in Den. I can’t remember a game since the all star break where I thought he was dominate.
I was really disappointed in the effort. They don’t play until Sunday. They didn’t even get run out of the gym like I thought they would. THey kept the pace slow but that zone did nothing to stop Denver from scoring. At this point I thought they would be getting in playoff mode. Being intense. Going out there with something to prove. But I’m not seeing it.
Ever since CP had his knee injury in NOH, he has had trouble dealing with speedy point guards. However, in NOH he had Tyson Chandler for the most part or at least some rim protector and/or an athletic long wing to cover for him when he gambles for steals. LAC’s defensive weakness is not having a long, athletic wing. Barnes may be long, but he’s not athletic.
You apparently didn’t read anybody else’s opinion.
The real problem, however, is Del Negro.
His game plan sucks yes. But some fundamentals are just lost on some of our key players that Vinny can’t teach them. Like how to freaking box out. I mean come one. How is DJ and Blake out of position so often
DJ has gotten better at boxing out guys. Blake on the other hand has yet to do that. I’m pretty sure those fundamentals will be addressed in the offseason.
I like watching DJ in the post more than Blake.
Fundamentals can be taught and improved upon but not with Vinny Del Negro behind the wheel. He sucks.
Is their anyone in the upcoming draft who Clipper fans should be keeping their eye on? Is there a realistic prospect who is worth targeting, possibly in a deal for Bled? #FreeBledsoe
There is no reason for Bledsoe to go anywhere.
#FreeBillups and start Bledsoe alongside CP3.
But that’s for next year, not this year.
I’d love to see Billups coming off the bench. I’m not sure his ego would comply.
I agree, Digby.
However, he’s not under contract next year; Bledsoe is.
I would definitely play Bledsoe alongside CP3.
That’s too far off to think about right now.
Please stop it with the back to back excuse
They weren’t too tired to take the lead were they?
I’m not going to blame Del Negro I think the roster itself is just fundamentally flawed
Inconsistent shooters and little to no production from the wing position
If you’re not going to blame DelNegro, explain one thing.
If Willie Green is good enough to start in place of Billups, why isn’t Green the first option to replace Billups at 6 minutes when Chauncey’s minutes restriction kicks in?
What would a Clippers’ offence that was initiated through Jordan more often look like? It just seems that good things trend to happen wherever he gets the ball in the low post. Anyways, wouldn’t more low post plays have slowed down a Denver offence that uses long rebounds off of missed jumpers in it’s transition game? Just curious.
why start Chauncey? Send him with the 2nd unit at pg and go with small line up of Billups-Crawford-Bledsoe-Odom-Barnes.
This team’s ceiling is the second round of the playoffs.
Vinny needs to go. There is no offensive consistency. Why do you isolate Billups or play the post for Butler when Blake was scoring at will against Faried?!? And a zone doesn’t work in the NBA. It’s a gimmick that can work on a few plays to change the pace but you don’t stay with it. The zone doesn’t work because NBA players can shoot when they are open!! VDN needs to go.
Let’s hope he’s gone come the offseason.
If they lose the 3rd spot to Memphis and are 4th, they will face Denver…
Good luck going against George Karl’s defense on CP. He took him out of the game and there was nothing Clippers could do.
I’m selling ALL my stock on the Clippers with Vinny’s unimaginative and inconsistent offense.
Should Vinny be fired?
No. Who’s gonna fire him anyway? Front office loves him don’t they?
What the heck is wrong with Chris Paul? Where is the real CP?
What will it take for the Clippers front office to fire Vinny Del Negro after the season?
I didn’t complain about Vinny
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I’d like to take a moment and discuss ‘system’ which is so readily bandied about. I believe when people say ‘system’, what they actually mean is ‘reliable offence in lieu of specific star/s or player/s’. My case for this definition is drawn from the Spurs. Even though they may lose their “best” player/s, their offence continues. And why does their offence continue, because it is built on solid plays that are decades in the making, passed on from franchise fathers to franchise sons.
So, ‘system’ then in this sense, should be differentiated from ‘plays’ which are run to find open shots, whether it be the primary, secondary or third option open shot. I’ve seen more plays being run by the Clippers lately (not sure if this is just my observation of it) and they have been getting open looks.
I guess system, in its traditional sense, system collectively describes the plays, culture (chemistry / character) and philosophy of a franchise.
The Spurs have changed their system in the past five years. SAS used to run their offense through Duncan but now run it through Parker. I agree with you that systems are beyond specific stars and players and the only difference between teams is that the stars execute the plays within the system to perfection. However, VDN’s system is Chris Paul which means letting him run the show. The system is basically pick and roll with shooters spreading he floor. More often than not, the team falls into isolation situations because opposing coaches have prepped their teams to shut down the initial and secondary action. Great systems can counter with a tertiary option to get easy baskets. The Clippers offense right now after the initial and secondary actions get stopped have no answer to get easy buckets. Down the stretch, the Clippers stop running plays and over-rely on Chris Paul instead of finding ways to get easy buckets. That is when it is on the coach to tell them to run their plays instead of going to hero-ball mode.As small as VDN’s playbook is, running those small amount of plays is better than not running any plays at all.
That’s right… So I’d disagree with VDN and wouldn’t calł that a system. Maybe its semantics but I’d call that a philosophy + set plays.
Perhaps the Clippers are on the road to that, it’s just they haven’t been around each other for long enough. Systems take years to establish in not just the players, but in the coaching staff as well. Or maybe I’ve got this whole thing upside down…
There’s an organisational myth that says “happy people are productive people”. It’s actually the opposite. As long as the Clippers are winning, stars and players will be happy and stick around. No one cares to be in a happy but losing team.
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