Clippers Podcast: 8/5

05 Aug 2013

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Kevin & Jordan go over a big summer of moves for the Clippers as the team prepares for possibly its most important season as a franchise ever.

http://c.espnradio.com/s:5L8r1/audio/1840982/clippers_2013-08-05-113522.48b.mp3

Slap Dog Hoops

Did not listen to the podcast but I am sure that you all certainly agree that the Clipper BY FAR had the best off season in the NBA picking up Darren Collison for a song, along with Shannon Brown, and JJ Reddick. Those moves have certainly put them in the running for a championship drive.
- http://www.bboy360.com/ Bboy 360
  
  Doc Rivers was the best pickup, the rest is a wash. They lost Bledsoe. They still have DeAndre and a weakness at center unless Doc Rivers can fix things. Oh, I’m FD, just tired of typing in my email all the time.
- Jake
  
  The two teams in the West that improved the most were Houston and Golden State. Houston added the best center in the NBA and didn’t give away anything to get him. Golden State added an all star and didn’t give away anything significant. Both teams were in the playoffs last year before these big additions, and both will be significantly better this coming season. The Clippers didn’t improve their roster, rather they just made some changes around the edges. It’s good Paul signed, but that’s not an improvement. I generally think coaches are overrated and are dependent on their players, but I’m curious to see if Rivers lives up to his reputation. In Boston he won the title with the best starting 5 in the NBA (4 hall of famers plus a good Perkins), so how will he do with the Clippers’ roster that has only two hall of famers and some holes.
  
  My picks for who will make the playoffs in the West, in this order:
  San Antonio, Houston, Oklahoma City, Golden State, Clippers, Memphis, Lakers, Dallas.
  - http://www.bboy360.com/ Bboy 360
    
    I agree coaches are overrated, but this is a little different. You’re going from one of the worst coaches VDN to Doc Rivers. I think VDN is -5 games during the season and Doc Rivers is about +5, so it’s a big swing. I’d also give VDN -1 games in a playoff series vs Doc Rives +1 or maybe neutral. 1 game vs Memphis could have made a big difference.
    
    As far as Houston and Golden State, yeah both are a lot better. I think we just have to put blind faith into CP3 and Doc Rivers that they know what they are doing and can make BG and DeAndre better. Maybe Doc just has to use DeAndre better, maybe DeAndre’s a lost cause, but it seems like CP3 and Doc Rivers have faith in him.
    - Alfredo Rodriguez
      
      Another reason why Doc Rivers is coveted in the NBA is because he beat the Celtic’s arch nemesis the Lakers in the Finals with Phil Jackson as their coach. Only two coaches in NBA history have ever been able to defeat the greatest winningest coach of all time: Rivers is one of them; Larry Brown is the other. What makes Doc the most unique coach is that he is the only one – repeat, ONLY ONE – to force Phil Jackson to a Game 7 in the Finals. Before then, Phil’s teams never required a Game 7.
      - Bongstradamus
        
        Larry Brown though…I mean, that Pistons team didnt have half the natural talent of the Celtics. He gets a bad rap for being “Next Town Brown” but seriously, what he squeezes out of his squads is nothing short of miraculous.
  - Bongstradamus
    
    Houston had to waive or trade away quite a few assets to land Howard. One of them was the 4th pick in last years draft, Thomas Robinson.
    - Jake
      
      Well, that’s not the way I look at it. Yes, Houston traded away a disappointing Robinson to Portland, but they got back 4 future pieces in return: 2 second round picks and the rights to 2 international players. At the least, those 4 minor assets are some things Houston can use to fill out future trades.
      Houston had acquired Robinson from Sacramento back in February for not much. Sacramento had drafted him #5 but he was a clear disappointment, so they sent him and some minor players to Houston and Houston sent back some other minor players and a *million in cash* to Sacramento. Basically the deal cost Houston a *million*, and the rest was a shuffling of bench players. So when it was all over after Robinson later was traded to Portland, basically for that *million in cash* Houston got a bundle of minor future assets. I don’t see that as a loss.
      - Bongstradamus
        
        Its scary when you remember the Mock draft better than the real draft. Forgot T-Rob slipped to 5 in the real draft.
        
        On top of T-Rob, Houston also waived or gave away:
        
        Aaron Brooks (who got waived and re-signed)
        
        Carlos Delfino
        Royce White (which should have happened awhile ago)
        Furkan Aldemir (Irony: we drafted this Furkan player)
        
        And giving up Patrick Patterson, Cole Aldrich and Toney Douglas for T-Rob was a high price to pay to ultimately receive 4 second rounders when they had to ditch him.
  - JaySee
    
    It’s ridiculous to say coaches are overrated. If coaches matter so little, why do the players care at all who the coach is? Coaches have a major effect on players. You can have a talented group of players, but they’re not a team without a coach directing them. It’s a symbiotic relationship. Players need coaches, coaches need players. Drop VDN in Miami and they’re never going to win a championship.
  - JaySee
    
    It’s ridiculous to say coaches are overrated. If coaches matter so little, why do the players care at all who the coach is? Coaches have a major effect on players. You can have a talented group of players, but they’re not a team without a coach directing them. It’s a symbiotic relationship. Players need coaches, coaches need players. Drop VDN in Miami and they’re never going to win a championship.
- old skool clip fan
  
  I must have missed this: When did we get Shannon Brown?
Clipper Derrick

Still love it whenever I hear “Runnin” as the intro to the podcasts. Go Clippers!
Bongstradamus

Kevin’s such a wonky nerd: “The differential of the second unit was actually higher than the starters.”

hahahah
Jake

I just read an interesting article by Dave McMenamin at ESPN that said Kaman likely would be starting for the Lakers along side Gasol. That’s a surprise, since when the trade happened it was reported Kaman would be backing up Gasol.
A quote from the article:
“The coach also thinks that Gasol and newly acquired center Chris Kaman will be a natural fit together in the starting lineup.
“I just see them kind of blending in together pretty easily,” D’Antoni said. “A lot easier than it was last year (with Howard), let’s put it that way.”

If Kaman still has a good jumper, that could be interesting. Will Kaman play away from the basket and shoot jumpers while Gasol plays down low and shoots close-in shots? I’m curious to see how that will work.
- http://www.bboy360.com/ Bboy 360
  
  I also think they would play well together. They will be good defensively. I don’t think any coach has really used Kaman the right way. Just don’t let him dribble.
- Bongstradamus
  
  Gasol came into the league as a 4. Thats his natural position. He played Center out of need. Hes the one you want taking any mid range jumpers.
  
  It makes sense to put Gasol at 4 and Kaman at 5.
  
  Btw, why are we even talking about the Fakers?
Digby Howis

If necessity is the mother of invention, who’s the father? #paternitysuit
The Chicken

I am a Matt Barnes fan, and I know his heart was in the right place … but I just want to say he did a disservice to both Shabazz and the L with his unproductive tweet regarding last weeks events at Rookie Orientation. The battle he chose to fight was better left for another time, another day, and with a different vehicle for delivery. If he is too lazy to fight that fight the right way then it is best to stay out of the fray. I just don’t see how a seasoned vet sticking up for a rooking breaking rules is good for ANYBODY.
- http://www.bboy360.com/ Bboy 360
  
  What was the tweet?
  - Met
    
    Nothing too dramatic. Just attacked the rule about women not being allowed for the event. De Facto absolving Muhammad.
    - http://www.bboy360.com/ Bboy 360
      
      Refs already hate barnes anyway, doesn’t really matter.
    - http://www.bboy360.com/ Bboy 360
      
      Refs already hate barnes anyway, doesn’t really matter.
- Bongstradamus
  
  I think the league did a disservice to Muhammad. If the rookie program is so important, dont kick him out of it. Punish him a different way, but he can still use those lessons.
  - Met
    
    If the program was all about Muhammad, you would totally be right. But there were dozens of players plus instructors and other people who were a part of the event. In the end, there is no doubt the correct action was taken. … the only question is the rule itself, which can certainly be debated, but at worst a bit strict but good for the overall program is all about.
Craig

The Clippers need to be a on a sports talk radio station……..

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