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Jamal Crawford has been playing lights out during the Grammy trip. In the 33 games where he came off the bench, including tonight, he is averaging 17 PTS per game. Does he have a case as an All Star selection AND/OR a commissioner’s replacement for Kobe Bryant?
(Favor: check the databases to see if there are any NBA players who have averaged greater than 17 PTS per game as a pure reserve. I think Crawford’s the first.)
Ricky Pierce I think averaged 20 ppg . However I think that Jamal is within reach of the all time record of 20 ppg off the bench.
Leandro Brabosa also averaged 18.1 when he won the Sixth Man.
Last year comes to mind…JR Smith – 18.1, then Jason Terry – 19.6, Manu – 19.5…the list goes on. Turns out a lot of 6th men that have scored more than 17.
Really doubt Jamal will get all star consideration. Tough to justify him getting a spot over CP3, Harden, Lillard, Dragic, Lawson, Isaiah Thomas, Conley, Parker…even guys like Klay Thompson and Kevin Martin have a better shot on paper to make the all-star game than Crawford.
It’s a shame too, he’d be fun to watch on that stage in a game where Defense is left in the locker room.
Griffin hasn’t rebounded the ball as much as before Paul going down, what up with that?
See anything the Clippers could do to move some pieces around to get a big man or get rid of Mullens and Green? Would such a move cost them just one decent wing player or a draft pick or both for a 1 season rental big?
For the Clippers to get rid of Byron Mullens, they’ll have to give up Reggie Bullock or their 2014 1st round draft pick. He really is that bad of a player.
Courtesy of Basketball Insiders (formerly Hoops World), here’s a link containing a list of players the Clips might be interested in. Note that the Clippers are only going to look at power forwards who can play the center, due to Alvin Gentry’s Seven Seconds Or Less offense and the interest in playing small ball:
What about Nate Wolters? Do you think he will be decent for the Bucks? He doesn’t play a lot behind Knight and Ridnour. I think Knight is a shoot first guard and won’t stick.
Should Bucks trade Gary Neal?
Did DJ get injured or is he ok after the game?
I don’t think that’s fair to Jeremy Tyler. He’s been really good for the Knicks in limited minutes, played really well in the d-league, and shown that he has moves though he’s still raw.
I think coaching matters a lot more than you seem to. Seems like people who go to quality organizations turn out better than people who go to dysfunctional ones. Look at Danny Green. Was a disaster with the Cavs—once he got to the Spurs, developed into a legit starter.
coaching matters some, but it’s ultimately how much the player puts into his career..hard work. Tyler isn’t very good.
Ok, so maybe Tyler’s not the best example, but I think situation matters a lot, and I don’t think that some guys are just going to automatically make it no matter where they go and some guys won’t no matter where they go.
How much do you credit Doc for these wins without CP3?
Just as much as the guys that are stepping up. This is something that I used to watch on the Celtics, lots of guys got injured ever since the championship and Celtics kept fighting. This is what it is to have a system, it’s yet to be completed and as realiable as it was on Boston or as it’s for the Spurs, but yes, a big part of team keeping a large portion of its identity despite losing their primary Star is due to the system working.
Bucks, Cleveland has been infected with the Bynum factor
I don’t buy this “Blake’s is a bigger part of the offense now that’s why
he is not rebounding”. Why Blake being a playmaker makes him a worse
defensive rebounder? It makes no sense for me. Blake was a big part of
the offense in his rookie season and his rebounds were much higher. I
get that he won’t get much offensive ones because he usually runs back
while DJ will still battle for the offensive glass, but he has not been
rebounding on the defensive end as well. What’s up with his low
rebounding number then? It’s mystery for me and if it’s that, it comes down to lack of effort.
He’s an average defensive rebounder (doesn’t box out good). good offensive rebounder.
Yeah, the boxing out problem is something that he should improve. He is a good offensive rebounder and I remember that from his rookie season, there were lots of nights he would get 2, 3 and eve 4 of them. In the beginning of his rookie season I think he was one of the offensive rebound leaders. But now, Doc is opting to have Blake running back to not mess with transition D, so he is not getting as many as he did before. But nonetheless I still don’t know why his numbers are down like that ever since CP3 got injured, is it just lack of effort? I hope somebody do some advanced stats analysis on that… hahaha… cross other guys rebounds, Blake’s new habits, is he rushing something, what changed?
Partly because DJ is trying to vacuum in every possible missed shot anywhere on the court.
That’s not the reason, if not, things would had been different last game when DJ battled foul trouble, even when DJ s not on the floor Blake is not doing it properly. Moreover, DJ is averaging 13~14rpg, not 20, there are plenty of rebounds out there to Blake to catch. And then why now that CP3 is out and not before, DJ has been grabbing those before CP3 went down. I still don’t know what it is but Blake should really go ahrder for the rebounds, teams are killing the Clippers getting lots of offensive rebounds.
First off, don’t act like his season average of 13.9 / game isn’t impressive, because it is. He’s hitting the boards at a more efficient rate than Dwight Howard, or Kevin Love for crying out loud. He’s grabbing 70.2% of the rebounds he’s within arms length of. That number being as incredible as it is, Blake is fairly efficient statistically at 64.8% as well.
Secondly, since Chris went down, DJ has averaged 16.4 rebounds per game. So DJ has been hitting the glass harder over the last 7 games.
Thirdly “when DJ battled foul trouble” he still logged 33 mins which is barely below his average mpg..so that’s an irrelevant point.
Fourthly, being that you pointed out he won’t get many offensive rebounds. His production on the glass, we could say, will be limited to mostly def. rebounding. In the past 7 games Blake has been matched up primarily against stretch 4’s: Middleton (Bucks), Boozer/Gibson (Chi), McRoberts/Tolliver (Bobcats), West/Scola (Ind), Melo/Bargnani (NY). The Raptors/Pistons don’t have a lot in the way of a typical stretch four but those other 5 do. That forces Blake to defend on the perimeter, which limits his rebounding opportunities.
Fifthly, other the past 7 games Deandre’s average has gone up 1.5 rebounds, Blake’s has gone down 2.6 rebounds.
Sixthly, if you look at the Bulls game. Deandre pulled down only 7 defensive rebounds. The only game in the last seven he’s grabbed single digit defensive rebounds. Coincidentally this is the only game in that stretch that Blake has pulled down double digit rebounds, including 9 defensively.
So how can you tell me that when Deandre hits the boards harder it does not effect Blake’s rebounding production?
Gosh, how is that your first reaction?? I’m not bashing on DJ and much less making little of the league #1 rebounder, please, stop that. Where did that come from?? All I said is that DJ rebounding well is clearly not the main reason Blake is not, just that, everything else you concluded in your own world. If Blake is a good rebounder, which I know he is, the more the reason he should have been doing a better job attacking the glass, don’t you think? I don’t get your “petting in the head” logic, I really don’t go by lower standards.
Of course DJ affects Blake and that’s not what I’m implying. What I said is that somehow this is related to CP3’s injury much more than it’s related to DJ. As you did the math yourself, the numbers don’t match, Blake is rebounding much worse than DJ is rebounding better and that’s my question.
All of what you say would make sense if Blake had never played together with DJ, but they have been playing for quite a while and Blake, just like you said, he is not so much worse than DJ as a rebounder, which again, just makes a case for why he is not rebounding as you would expect of a guy like him.
So your posture is “oh, poor Blake, he is not rebounding because DJ is hitting the glass harder”?? What kind of mentality is that? The least I would think is that Blake is not going hard enough and he is letting DJ take those by being outhustled. It’s not DJ’s fault that Blake is not getting those rebounds. If DJ is getting more rebounds, play harder, there are still plenty of rebounds out there, even more on the defensive end, an area that the Clippers have been quite weak.
And the argument of Blake going against stretch-4 is pretty weak as well, if not, everybody that goes against stretch-4 would rebound poorly, it doesn’t work that way. The league is full of stretch-4 now and that’s not making guys rebound less, maybe even the opposite since the majority of stretch-4s are less physical, you should be able to box them out.
Are you a damn fanboy or something? I like Blake and I’ve been following him ever since Summer League but I won’t overlook him rebounding poorly just because I like him, and I won’t keep giving excuses of why he is doing such a poor job when I know he can do better than that.
Ever since CP3 went down, he only hit double digits rebounds TWICE, it’s not simply just some games against stretch-4s or whatever other excuse you may give. He is averaging 7.5 rpg in that stretch and by your logic that’s just because DJ stepped up, if it was, Blake is doing an ever worse job. It’s clearly not that, it’s no coincidence his numbers dropped ever since CP3 went down and again, him being a bigger part of the offense is not a acceptable reason as well. Did
something change tactically? What is he doing differently? What he needs to change to get back to double digits rebounds?
These question are much more about Blake than external factors. Please, save the excuses for someone else and if you are ok with him rebounding 7.5 a game, then, there is really nothing we can discuss about, I clearly have such a high expectation to think he could do better than that, my bad.
wtf is “petting the head logic”?
If you’re going to use quotations, make sure you’re actually quoting something I said, and not inferring something that you imply. I never said poor Blake. I think Blake is doing a stand up job. Would it be nice to have him getting double digit rebounds? Of course. You were asking why his rebounding has dipped since CP3 got injured. I pointed out several indications that Deandre’s rebounding numbers have increased in that same period, which I believe has a direct correlation. I didn’t say anything to the tune of being satisfied with Blake’s rebounding numbers, just using statistics to point out logical correlations to a theory that attempts to answer a question you posed.
Also I wasn’t saying Blake going against stretch 4’s is a reason, I was saying the amount of stretch 4’s he’s guarded int he past 7 games is higher than average. If Boozer pulls up for an 18 footer and Griffin closes out to contest, is he going to get the rebound? Likely not.
In the past 7 games since CP3’s injury, Deandre’s rebounding activity has bumped up, there have been a higher than usual number of stretch 4’s Blake is guarding. I think those two things contribute greatly to the dip in Blake’s rebounding. Not the entire reason. I think a big part of it to is his natural lack of rebounding tenacity. Could also be a system thing. Doc has gone out of his way to say that Blake is doing everything the coaches are asking him to do. That could be anything from being told not to crash the o-boards, to the coaches wanting him to close out better on jumpers his man is taking which draws him away from the basket.
If Blake is still rebounding a high percentage of the rebounds available to him, it seems to me, that by the way he is playing, in the system he’s being asked to play, there are less rebound opportunities being present to him during the course of a game.
Last thing I’m going to say. My number above on Blake and DJ’s average before / after the last 7 games are a bit misleading as their season average included their last 7 games as well. I re-ran them calculating their rebounds per game prior to the last 7 separately. Blake averaged 10.3 rpg in the first 40 games. Over the last 7 he’s dropped to 7.1. That’s a net difference of 3.2 rpg. Dendre averaged 13.4 rpg in the first 40 games. Over the last 7 he’s increased to 16.4. That’s a net increase of 3 rpg.
To sum that up over the last 7 games Deandre’s average has bumped up 3 rpg, and Blake’s has dipped 3.2. Can you tell me, again, from a logical perspective, how Deandre’s increased activity on the boards does not directly correlate to Blake’s decreased activity?
Again, I’m not implying it’s not correlated, I even reinforced that all these factors affects his numbers. I think the main difference between what I’m saying and what you are saying is our the approach towards this.
All the stats that you are pulling off just say what’s happening, it doesn’t tell why, it doesn’t tell the story, stats without context are empty numbers. The stats merely say that Blake’s rebound went down and DJ’s went up, nothing else, it doesn’t say what changed between CP3 going down and now.
So the difference is that I say that his numbers falling is much more due to Blake himself than DJ or Blake going against stretch-4. I’m holding Blake accountable for not doing a better job. While for you, these other factors seem enough to explain why he is grabbing less rebounds and letting DJ having them.
But I hardly think that just DJ going harder for boards would create this astonishing 6 rpg discrepancy between them, don’t you think? And even if it really was that, if Blake is letting him, it’s also because he is not giving enough effort, since this is out of the curve. And that’s what I’m trying to understand and why I’m saying that it’s not about others, it’s about what Blake is doing – or not doing. What changed in his approach, what changed in his game that is making him average such a low numbers, which for me is pretty inexcusable, given that he can do a better job than that.
PS: Petting the head logic is that you never hold the guy accountable, he is never to blame, he is never responsible for nothing. It’s always external factors that butt in and then you just pet him in the head and say “it’s not your fault, others that did this to you”.
“It’s not you Blake, it’s just DJ that is going crazy with the rebounds, if it wasn’t for that, I bet you would have your numbers”
Instead of trying to understand why Blake is letting his numbers going down.
I totally agree it would be nice to see Blake hitting the boards harder. I think the two are correlated, but not necessarily in a positive way. I think DJ being a beat might be allowing Blake to mentally not hit the defensive glass as hard be he “knows DJ’s got it”. Which is unacceptable, but I think that’s part of the reason.
About that I’m sure Blake doesn’t think that way, because if you pay attention, when Blake goes, he goes hard. I’ve seen Blake stripping down the ball from DJ’s hands and vice-versa. He may not be giving full effort but I doubt he is ok with DJ grabbing all the rebounds like that, he is a competitor. I am and I would never be ok with that, I’d give my all to get more than DJ.
That’s why I think it may have to do with what he does after the other team take a shot, I think that too often he might be rushing to the other side, or not boxing out properly, something in his positioning and ultimately, his effort. It’s still a mystery for me.
I really wish somebody dissects this, use videos, advanced stats, everything in order to understand this.
It happens on a regular basis that Blake is in rebounding distance but sees DJ, and bolts down the floor. What’s more rewarding, pulling down a defensive board, or flying down the floor for a quick lob?
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