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Game Thread: Detroit at Clippers

Posted by Kevin Arnovitz on Sun, 03/11/07, 10:47am:

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John R. wrote:

Lol ABC Sunday exclusivity.
03/11/07 13:59:43

CLIPPER LOSER wrote:

ONCE AGAIN POOR PLAY .. HORRIBLE COACHING.
03/11/07 14:02:44

Lonnie 113 wrote:

For all of you Q.Ross lovers, who actually believe he is a superior defensive player...he sure locked down Hamilton today.
03/11/07 14:06:12

Dave wrote:

Riding on a limping HORSE & trying to stay in the race! Looks pretty good.
03/11/07 14:19:36

Adam wrote:

good start to the 2nd half. FUCK YOU DUNLEAVY YOU USELESS PIECE OF GARBAGE.
03/11/07 14:38:07

Dave wrote:

Dunleavy didn't ask BRAND to engage in movie business. It's Brand who altered his focus during off-season. Now, entire team is paying heavy price for his blind mistake.

There's nothing our coach can do if our HORSE and the RIDER(Cassell) are totally out of gas.

We scored 80 against Pistons without any contributions from Brand & Cassell. That's MINUS 40 points.
03/11/07 15:08:48

John R. wrote:

I guess the challenge for QRoss haters would be, which player in the league would have changed Hamilton's box score? The answer, of course, is none. He had 23. That's very slightly above his average. What was down was his FGA (down 25%) and FTA (down 50%). This means that Q (or whoever else was guarding him) was able to discourage the Pistons from even passing it to him, which is about all you can hope to do versus their scheme.

It blows my mind that anyone watching that game would think Q first was the problem.

As for Dunleavy, I don't know. I mean he can only get the players open looks, he can't put them in himself. The Clippers were getting wide open looks. They were just laying bricks.

The Pistons beat the Clippers. I don't know if a scapegoat is needed.

I will say the refs didn't have a great game though. It wasn't the difference, but it didn't help.
03/11/07 15:22:26

chris wrote:

Dunleavy sucks. How else could you explain the first 4 plays of the second half being turnovers, including the first play out of a halftime pep talk and the Clippers can't even get off a shot? He has no ability to draw up plays.

Sure, the Clippers are showing a lack of heart and a lack of determination this season, but I do blame the coach because that is something he is responisible for. He can't get his team to focus, and it is his team. I hate him. I was glad for a moment when he got both technical fouls and got ejected. Of course, without him, the Clippers continued their terrible offensive skills and only had 3 points the first 8 minutes of the 3rd quarter. Who the hell does that game in and game out?

There was also a span in the second quarter they went 5 plus minutes without scoring. They do this a lot. There is no consistency. We are lucky to be in the 8th spot. I don't know what else to complain about but this season sucks. Elton is doing no good lately and he looks frustrated. Kaman is terrible, and his 5 years 52 million doesn't even start until next year.

Why did we let go of Will Conroy? This new guy Jason Hart may be better than Ewing (he was decent at best today), but at least with Conroy we had our best defensive game EVER!

oy!

fire dunleavy!
03/11/07 17:00:22

Dave wrote:

Our offensive strategy is so predictable.....Even caveman can do it.
03/11/07 18:34:41

Lonnie 113 wrote:

John R, you're an idiot. Ross was guarding Hamilton in the 1st quarter when he went 7-7, after that Q "zero offense" Ross hardly saw the floor. It was Dunceleavy's insistence to spend 2/3 of the season starting this inept player over Maggette that was the major reason this season tanked.

Read Dunleavy's quote after the game:

Our bigs around the basket were hesitant and they gave the defense time to get to them," Los Angeles coach Mike Dunleavy said. "They didn't recognize when they had a chance to score, and they got stripped a lot. I'm really disappointed in our toughness right now -- mental and physical."

He is constantly criticizing the players, they must hate him...how about it was a duncehead move on my part to start Ross over Mobley today...or obviously as you have seen in the past 2-3 weeks, Maggette brings much more to the team than Q, not sure what I was thinking for 4 months.

Here's the bottom line Clipper fans..we're only above NBA average at 1 position, Power forward, which means we are mediocre, which is what 28-33 is.

Hello Lottery!
03/11/07 19:21:27

John R. wrote:

Hey lonnie, fuck you!

How are these personal attacks helpful?

Based on the fact that you didn't address my question, I can only conclude you didn't actually see the game. I'm right, right?

If they are running Rip off two and three screens, which they were, it doesn't matter who is guarding him. He is going to have 15-17 foot jumpers available to him if he is quick on the trigger. You failed to address the fact that he was successful at denying him the ball as well. I can only assume this is a level of nuance that escapes you.

I can continue to shred you publicly and personally for all to see like this, or you can be a civil person. I don't have a preference.
03/11/07 19:36:33

Jax wrote:

John R, with all due respect you didn't "shred" anyone.

If it doesn't matter who was guarding Rip, then Dunleavy shouldn't have had the offensively challenged Q Ross in the game at all. I don't think that the Pistons' offensive scheme is a secret. Surely you agree with that point, right John R?

In addition, denying the ball is only a part of the equation. As you can see, they also have to stop him when he got the ball, which, as was pointed out, Q simply was unable to do.

Would you agree that they should have started Maggette over Q Ross all season? I'm sure your response will be interesting.
03/11/07 19:58:08

Dave wrote:

Clippers are one of the luckiest teams in NBA!

Inspite of all those mounting hurdles, we are sitting pretty on #8th spot!
Golden State is losing big to Portland. Denver kicked Kings to the ground. Lakers are making Clips look good by playing like old Clipper team against Dallas.

If we make it, we'll take it. Why not?
03/11/07 19:59:57

Dave wrote:

What are we going to accomplish by pitting against a Clipper vs. a Clipper?

QRoss plays hard & smart every second he's on the floor. And Maggette improved a lot while coming off the bench.

Where's the unity in Clipper Nation?
03/11/07 20:33:51

Duleevy wrote:

John R. You may not be an idiot, but your comment is idiotic and your follow-up more so. Ross played for a mere 17 minutes, so you cannot attribute Rip getting fewer shots to Ross. In fact, if Lonnie is right about Rip being 7/7 during those 17 minutes, then that means Rip was on pace to exceed his avg shots/game by far during time Ross was guarding him. Given these facts, your only possible defense of Ross is small sample size, Rip was hot. The ONLY hope for this team is to ride Maggette who is the other above average player. The only virtue of Dunleavy's idiocy is that Maggette should have fresh legs for the stretch.
03/11/07 21:02:53

Jax wrote:

Dave, we are not fighting, we are trying to figure out what's wrong with the Clippers. People have different opinions on that, but the fact that we are arguing about this means that we care. It is the opinion of many of us that Dunleavy's decision to play Q Ross over Maggette was a mistake. And of course Dunleavy was lobbying hard to coach his son here. What a fiasco that would have been.

I'm not an insider, so don't know why the Clippers are not playing better. Should they have known Kaman wouldn't play better this year? Debatable. What about Livingston's failure to emerge? Less debatable in my view, but still debatable (I say they should have known, others disagree).

One thing that's not debatable, however, is the lame decision to keep proven a 20 ppg scorer on the bench for months knowing that the PG experiment wasn't working out, that Kaman was floundering, that Brand was playing below expectations, that Cassell was hurt, etc., because of some misguided notion that we need a defensive specialist on the court for thirty minutes a game in these circumstances.

(It is also my opinion that we should have traded Livingston for AI (you might have heard of him, he's going to be a hall of famer some day), but that's another story.)
03/11/07 21:15:23

Dave wrote:

Thanks Jax. I agree with almost everything you wrote except regretting about not making that trade for AI.

I think it's time for us to be little optimistic.

Right now our problem is simple. Get back Brand & Cassell on the floor 'playing' like themselves. Everything else will work out fine.

This is still a Lakertown. But doom & gloom already plaguing their hearts & minds. Next few seasons they will occupy our 'lowly' place in town.

We were there before. But we are not there now. For this alone, the team, the coach and the organization deserve our appreciation.
03/11/07 21:49:31

mp wrote:

Anybody can see that the problem with this team this year has been point guard play. There has been no floor general this year. Cassell has not been healthy, and he is the engine for this team.

Q. Ross started during the stretch run last season, and was part of a great formula for winning. He is one of the bright spots on the Clippers.

Maggette is playing with a renewed focus now that the deadline passed. I'm glad he is still with the team.

Until Cassell returns to strength (which he may never, now that he is, what, 57?), the Clippers will struggle.
03/11/07 22:00:46

kirbycarlisle wrote:

How can this team be still in the play off race, they have been abysmal all season other than for 2 little spurts of wins. The teams below us must be utter crap because we are close to that.
03/12/07 01:39:30

Dave wrote:

The teams below us are not utter crap. Because of playoff aspirations they are all beating each other up and Clippers are running for cover. We are still there & by half of remaining games we can move up to 7th or even 6th spot.

IF Brand continues to struggle, then we better forget about this season. A.Williams, Singleton and Paul Davis combined can be more effective than BRAND right now.
03/12/07 10:44:33

Lonnie 113 wrote:

Jax and Duleevy thanks for the defense..John R. you are still an idiot...denying Hamilton the ball? He went 7-7 in the first quarter when Q. was in the game, even if he was a superior defensive player his absolute lack of offense is still a detriment, especially when it comes at the expense of a legit 20 ppg. player. As others have pointed out CM is the only player besides EB on the team with above avg. skills right now. As for Q. starting last season during the good run, two points. A) After the 14-5 start when CM was the starter, they went 33-30 an average team the rest of the way, most of that with QR stsrting. Coincedence, possibly, B) Last season Cassell and Kaman were playing at above avg. NBA standards and Brand was playing at close to an MVP level, none of those 3 are occurring right now. So any coach would see that the obvious move months ago would have been to insert Corey into the lineup, which he now has done too late. And btw, why absolutely no public comment from Coach idiot on that change, probably afraid to take the heat as to why he didn't do it in December.

John R., I look forward to the next public flogging.
03/12/07 18:42:57

runescape gold wrote:

If you're a defender chasing around a shooting guard, it's exceedingly difficult to get past a Tim Thomas screen. With Phoenix in the postseason, we saw how seemingly every possession for the Suns started with a Thomas high S/R, followed by either a fade or a dive/drag toward the basket. It's more effective in a frenetic offense, but the Clips don't use him enough [or he doesn't take enough initiative...who knows anymore?] on the strong side. Instead, the Clippers rely on this popular [and increasingly antiquated] notion that somehow, if Thomas stands out on the arc, he'll effectively "spread the floor," as if his defender can't sag if Cassell has dribbled to the far left corner -- where he traditionally likes to back down his defender --- or even if Elton has the ball in the low post against a much larger defender over whom he can't zip a pass out to the far side perimeter.
04/12/08 01:49:05

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