I have season tickets to watch nonentertaining losing team. I think I should get a refund.

The Closer!

Absolutely got it done this afternoon.

this game makes me want to jump of a bridge

I've never seen a team with this much talent play this bad. Dunleavy I fucking depsise you.

Can't blame Tim Thomas for this one.

i hope their team plane has engine problems on the way back...

Boys don't take it so hard. The basis must be that the team over achieved last season, beacause the amount of blow out losses this season, the lack of passion, means we are not good enough to be in the play-offs.

JAMES SINGLETON is our SURGE PROTECTOR. He sat on the bench when we needed him the most during early minutes of final quarter.

As long as MD enjoys losing games like this, we have no problem.

It's cool out there, but I'd rather go fishing.

Bring back the Kandiman and Big Ben! This franchise needs to re-live it's glory days again.

"Bring back the Kandiman and Big Ben! This franchise needs to re-live it's glory days again."
Unfortunately, I think that's exactly what the franchise is doing!

“It’ s nice just to beat somebody after the last two games where we didn’t play so well. Those were bad losses for us, it put us under .500, so against anybody it’s nice but I guess against my dad it makes it a little bit better.”

M. Dunleavy Jr.

Hopefully MDsr understand the importance of player chemistry. Players all year have been uncertain about their roles on the team: "whos the leader", "whos the starter", "whos the scorer(s)", "who is backup and who plays big minutes?"

If the guys don't know what they mean to the team or where they fit in, then how do they prepare and commit to those roles?

Lack of chemistry = losses!

This is a game of inches, so if we are not dead-on focused we will be a step to slow on defense and a step to hesitant on offense = turnovers and rim-outs.

We need leadership and it starts at the top. Now is time for MDsr to get the ducks in a row, commit to their roles and start playing with their hearts.

Is too early to take a look quality lottery picks? How about that Kevin Durant guy, 6-9 SF? He's got skills, he can post and shoot the 3.

How about Greg Oden and trade Kaman away?

between oden and durant...i say it's a very tough choice...basically, durant will provide perimeter scoring, while oden will improve everything related to the post...especially post defense, and his offense should improve with time...

looking at the clippers' team needs, i see a lack of a pure perimeter scorer, and our post/team defense has fallen off from last year...

bottom line, i think we need both durant and oden, but i think durant will probably take longer to actually contribute than oden...also, oden would have more trade value if we were to pick and trade him for durant+picks or something along those lines...as much as i want a dynamic wing player, i want oden more...we can trade kaman away, or maybe even keep him, but an oden brand frontcourt would be amazing...

unfortunately, we have a snowball's chance in hell of landing either one of those guys...

i wonder how a lineup of :

pg: livingston/cassell
sg: mobley/ross
sf: maggette/ross
pf: brand/thomas
c: oden/kaman

would do...

i wonder how a lineup of :

pg: livingston/cassell
sg: mobley/ross
sf: maggette/ross
pf: brand/thomas
c: oden/kaman

would do...

LOL, we are already in the lottery

Q.D. - With the Clips, you can usually start talking lottery picks in November. Last year was apparently just an aberration.

Quick side note: Anybody else seeing any disturbing parallels between Sam's current tenure with the Clips and his previous one with the T-Wolves?

Lets see: Acquired around the same time as a talented wing (Speewell/Mobley) in an attempt to surround their marquee power forward (Garnett/Brand) with a stronger supporting cast. In Sam's first year he takes the team deep into the playoffs (Conference Finals/One game shy of Conference Finals). In the ensuing season, injuries hamper Cassell and the team misses the playoffs.

So far we're watching history repeat itself. If this continues, its only a matter of time before the team tunes out Sam's barking, and runs him and Mobley out of town.

Side note 2: Anybody else get a good laugh out of Jaric's trade demand? Good luck with that, Marko.

Seems to me you're all looking in the wrong place. They should simply bring in Baby Shaq now. They don't need a lottery pick.

Anyone who saw Baby Shaq literally destroy EB and the rest of the US team last summer (as well as other teams) knows that he will fit right in. And he's only 21 or 22.

By the way, as we all know, MD blew it last year when he put Ewing on Raja. That decision cost us the game and the series IMO. While I appreciate what MD has done to get Sterling to approach the team differently, it's now time to step up to the next level. Unfortunately, MD (who apparently has no problem with nepotism?) will not bring us to the promised land.

unfortunately sofo is much closer to baby oliver miller right now. reports out of greece are that he's gained more weight, fallen out of favor w/ the coaching staff, and is currently suspended w/o a set-to-return date.

i don't think oden or durant (or even both) will make us championship contenders (not that we have any chance at either). our system plain sucks, and i put the blame squarely on MDSr. of all the contract "mistakes" - TT, kaman, and arguably cassell - i think the 5yr extention gifted to NDSr was the absolute worst.

The other issue that irks me is the failure to trade Livingston for a Hall of Famer who has a few good years left. Assuming that Philly would have done the deal, AI would have energized the place for three years. What has Livingston ever done to justify keeping him over a Hall of Famer?

I knew he was done early this fall when I watched CSKA work him over time after time after time. Perhaps we can just trade our guys for the CSKA guys. Oh yeah, we can't trade Livi.

Dunleavy has his pro's and cons, but we all have to keep our heads about us. We're not Laker fans for christ sake.

http://www.myclippernation.com

Latest post is about Dunleavy being a double edged sword.

getting iverson would've done nothing. sold tickets and nothing more. livingston is young! how many great point guards are there that are immediately mature in the NBA?? think of Steve Nash's first few years, he wasn't that great and he did a full term in college! The problem is that Cassell is undermining the future of the franchise. You know by now that he will lead you nowhere, he gets by on swagger and bluster and such and he's a great player but the truth is he's too old to do it with any consistency anymore. Livingston needs to be given time to develop to make sure that he reaches his potential, otherwise the team will sink in a few years time..

Disagree re Livingston. See Deron Williams, CP3, Jameer Nelson, Felton, just for starters. Don't be afraid to expect excellence.

Also disagree that getting AI would have done nothing. Second leading scorer in the league. Tough, hardnosed player who always gives his all. He would have sold tickets because he's a great player.

Williams, Paul, Nelson, Felton....they all had lengthy college careers. Livingston, let's face it, this is really only his second year because he missed almost a year due to injury. Perhaps a better comparison would be with Sebastian Telfair, a point guard taken right out of high school the same year as Livingston. Guess who's WAY better?

I applaud Elgin for not giving this kid up and chasing what really is fool's gold with Iverson. Has anybody watched him with the Nuggets? Great individual play, but he dominates the ball, turning that talented roster into a bunch of spectators. Nuggets record since? 4-7....

I almost feel sorry for Livingston. Every time the Clippers lose now, people start calling for his head, talking about how much better off we'd be with Iverson, as if there is nobody else on the team to blame. Did anybody else notice how stale the offense was when Shaun went out in the second half aagainst the Warriors? And people want to give this guy up? Shit pisses me the fuck off. By next year, all you fair-weather assholes will be on his nuts. Guaranteed.

I'm on Livingston's nuts already.

Figuratively speaking of course.

I still think he's going to be one of the best PGs in the NBA within 3 years.

I'm not on Dunleavy Sr.'s nuts though. All of this shit is his fault. He subs players like Stevie Wonder.

Hmm, so those of us who believe that AI is better for the Clips than Livi are assholes. Nice. I'm not saying that Livi isn't a good prospect. He is. I just think that AI would have been better for the team the way it's currently constituted. Would have been a great compliment to EB IMO. Deal with it.

It's difficult to be a fair weather asshole when there's never been any fair weather.

I would also disagree that the Nuggets have a "talented roster" (with Melo out). JR Smith sucks (and he's been back for one game). Nene sucks. Camby is injury prone. Boykins is gone. Evans? Please. Blake? Come on. They'll be ok when Melo returns but they are not talented now.

Jax-

I apologize for the tone in my post...Uncalled for, to say the least, and I can admit that. I was referring more to the rash of callers on talk radio in the days following the Iverson saga, who were, shall we say, reactionary-just as I was when I used profanity.

My point was that the Clips would not part with Livingston, we didn't get Iverson, and now everyone wants to blame Shaun for the team's ills by arguing how much better the team would be with Iverson. Look at how much he's improved over the course of this year alone. I just don't think it would be a smart decision to trade the future of a team for someone who has two good years left in him.

How will Golden State compete tonight? They just announced the blockbuster trade sending MDjr, Troy Murphy, Ike Diogu and Keith McKleod to Indiana. On Monday they only had 8 guys in jerseys and now 4 are gone... could be an interesting roster to say the least...

My biggest problem with MDsr is that he can't/won't keep a consitent rotation. I wish he would just try to keep things the same for 5 games in a row. I would be ok with either:

PG: Cassell
SG: Mobley
SF: Maggette
PF: EB
C: Kaman

or the slightly less-orthodox

PG: Cassell
SG: Livingston
SF: Maggette
PF: EB
C: Kaman

Q has his place in the rotation, but it's hard to play 4 on 5 on offense.

ok, stop with the Q can't play offense thing.

The guy shoots 50% and never turns the ball over.

That misconception has taken on a life of it's own.

He has absolutely no ability to create his own shot, and he can't pass worth a damn. "4 on 5" was probably a little strong, but what are forums for if not hyperbole.

Hey...at least we won't have to watch MDJr!!!!!!! (Even though I like him, Maggette is way too much).

EB FGs (makes, attempts, %)

05: 9.6 18.2 52.7
06: 7.8 14.3 54.7

Why are his attempts down 25%? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY??????????????//

Q doesn't have to create his own shot. He is a perfect role player. He has a dependable mid range jumper, more dependable than most of his teammates. He drives strong to the hoop and makes good decisions. Some nights he may be off like any player but his game is dependable for a role player and I'm sure his range will extend beyond the arc. Just look at Matt Barnes. And to top it off he plays defense.

Arnie: you're right, he IS a role player. That's fine with me. What he is NOT, however, is a starter.

amen, brian Z, much as I like Q, maggs should be starting, you start your best 5, and argument to the latter is just overthinking x's & o's at the expense of strait logic. maybe now that dunleavy sr. knows he's out of the running for his snot nosed kid, he'll pull his head out of his okole and plop maggs in the starting 5 where he belongs, but I won't hold my breath. This has been driving me apeshit insane the last few days. here we have a player, that, granted, is not a premier defender, and gets lost on occasion, but who else in the league can get to the line like he does, can score like he does, and yet is ass pissed off and unhappy as he is, and all you have to do to make him happy is start him? you don't even need to significantly amp up his minutes, Q will still get burn, i just don't get it, i don't get it. i don't... sigh.

and i liked the comment i read somewhere (here? not sure) that why not just assign maggs to the other teams best scorer? he's decent man up, if you outline his role plainly on D, shit, i mean, is he really that much worse a defender than mobley?? god knows his shots falling more than mobley's right now (my kid sister's hitting at a better clip than cat right now.) sigh numero dos.

btw, where's kevin at????

Hey Brian as long as Q is shooting over 40% and making shots that nobody else is making and scoring 8 to 10 points/game then he should start. It's Mobley who should not be in the starting lineup.

based on tonight's game it looks like i'm gonna eat my hat. Maybe you're right; sitting mobley may be the answer.

saw" the game via ESPN play-by-play (sad I didn't ave anything better to do I know)... Looks like Sactown better rethink the Magette for Artest trade (yes I know it is dead...)